I say on any product used on your firewall that has been proven. I always thought if my firewall was in so bad of flame to worry about I'd better be looking at the ground and find a place to park! -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/9/16, krnet-request at list.krnet.org <krnet-request at list.krnet.org> wrote:
Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 122 To: krnet at list.krnet.org Date: Monday, May 9, 2016, 11:00 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to ??? krnet at list.krnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? krnet-request at list.krnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at ??? krnet-owner at list.krnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: ???1.? Navigators, PFD's, MFD's, etc. (laser147 at juno.com) ???2.? fibre frax (stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl) ???3. Re:? fibre frax (Gary Hinkle) ???4. Re:? fibre frax (Robert Pesak) ???5. Re:? MGL and the new instrument panel (Steven Bedford) ???6.? Landing gear question (Mark Wegmet) ???7. Re:? Landing gear question (Paul Visk) ???8.? USB GPS (laser147 at juno.com) ???9. Re:? fibre frax (Chris Prata) ? 10. Re:? fibre frax (Dan Heath) ? 11. Re:? fibre frax/ BRS, personal chute (Paul Visk) ? 12. Re:? MGL and the new instrument panel (ml at n56ml.com) ? 13. Re:? Landing gear question (Larry Flesner) ? 14. Re:? Landing gear question (Jeff Scott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 10:25:44 -0700 From: <laser147 at juno.com> To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> Navigators, PFD's, MFD's, etc. Message-ID: <AABMU87X6AUQQEK2 at smtpout01.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While we're on the subject of electronic devices - I ought to mention something I bought recently.? It's been around since at least 2005 on various platforms and with ever-increasing capabilities.? It runs on full Windows, not CE or Mobile.? Until recently there haven't been any decent Windows tablets around so the company (AviationSafety - also called True Flight and Flight Cheetah) put together some proprietary Windows boxes with several different displays over the years.? It was always too bulky and too expensive for me, but I did admire the capabilities.? Finally there are some 8-inch Windows Tablets around.? True Flight is featuring the DELL Venue 8 Pro that came out in early 2013.? The Lenovo Mix 2 is another contender - the software will run on any of them.? The trick is to find something bright enough to see in a canopied cockpit.? The DELL DV8 Pro has been upgraded a couple times since it first came out but nits are still 400, same as the iPad.? And I can't see a damn thing on the iPad unless it's in the shade, so as with my little Anywheremap navigator I've been using for ten years I'll put a shade on it or figure something else out.? I haven't gotten to the "mounting" part of things quite yet - just doing a lot of thinking about it.? Flight Cheetah is a lot cheaper these days.? The entire package, software, plates, Sectionals, Vector graphics, Landsat, etc. can be had for $195.? It's hardly ever discussed on the various forums since the iPad has eaten everyones' lunch but those who have it have been using it for years and wouldn't give it up if you paid them to.? The developer keeps the data current and is always adding new tweaks and features. It's mature.? And neat as hell.? Rather than go on and on about the great features of this software I'll just post the link and those interested can get as deeply into it as they feel like.? There's a series of "Instructional Videos" on the site, using hardware that the company no longer uses but software logic and features are generally the same.? The MAIN thing I am impressed with is, without using AHRS (although you can attach one, along with ADS-B), the software provides synthetic vision and HITS and will guide you through boxes all the way to the runway threshold, using just GPS.? This feature is called an "approach overlay". You do have the actual charts but this program will guide you all the way through an approach visually, without having to actually look at the chart except to establish your MAP or MDA and brief yourself.? Once you pick your IAP you never need to look at anything else.? Something else I like is it has a complete set of Landsat images that shows you what's below those clouds or at night.? Your're basically positioned directly above Google Earth.? If not within range of a runway, this will at least allow one to pick a flat spot instead of a mountain to touch down in case of engine failure.? There's a lot to rave about when it comes to the features of this software but I'll shut up about it and just post the link below.? ? I haven't flown with it yet - still figuring out where and how I'm going to mount the DELL DV8 Pro.? I bought a newer model with a bigger SSD on eBay instead of getting the one True Flight sells.???The tablet is about the same size as an iPad Mini but even something that small is a challenge for my little office. It will output to any autopilot that accepts NMEA data and I had hopes of using the TruTrak ECO, but that one is still on hold for some reason . . . plus TrueTrak is selling them as a "kit" for particular planes, the RV-4 and RV-10 at this point - I think we've discussed this ECO situation.? They were supposed to start shipping this autopilot last September but when I recently talked to Lucas at TrueTrak, they are still waiting on components from their suppliers.? They have yet to ship one ECO.? I really like TruTrak . . . I hope this long delay with the ECO doesn't indicate more serious problems with the company.? With so many devices to choose from in a relatively very small market, it's gotta be hard for these companies to stay in business. Anyway, check out this Flight Cheetah.? If you're interested in IFR work and not quite ready to spent 12K or more on a used G-1000, this is the cat's meow. http://aviationsafety.com/ Mike KSEE ____________________________________________________________ Scribol.com 20 Female Celebrities Who Are Totally Different in Real Life http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/572f76bcdf5be76bc1a86st01vuc ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 22:18:27 +0200 (CEST) From: "stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl" <stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl> To: Kr net Kr net <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: KR> fibre frax Message-ID: ??? <19780922.16591.1462738707139.JavaMail.defaultUser at defaultHost> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Hi guys I need to order the fibre frax for the fire wall. Wat thickness do you prefere 1/8 or 1/16. Whe have a titinium heatshealt so if a am looking to the weight I should prefere 1/16....but the other factor is safetyness... Stef -- Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S? ???see???http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 08 May 2016 16:32:23 -0500 From: Gary Hinkle <Gary19521 at verizon.net> To: "stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl" <stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl>, KRnet ??? <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> fibre frax Message-ID: <e9575bs7fksw8h1h89nsfg5s.1462743143587 at email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ? ? To me, fire in flight is probably the scariest thing that could happen. Short of loosing tail or wing pieces.For the want of a 1/16th of an inch. Go with 1/8th inch. But then what the hell do I know. Gary Hinkle, A&P, Comm pilot. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: stefkr2--- via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Date: 05/08/2016? 15:18? (GMT-06:00) To: Kr net Kr net <krnet at list.krnet.org> Cc: stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl Subject: KR> fibre frax Hi guys I need to order the fibre frax for the fire wall. Wat thickness do you prefere 1/8 or 1/16. Whe have a titinium heatshealt so if a am looking to the weight I should prefere 1/16....but the other factor is safetyness... Stef -- Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S???? see?? http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2 _______________________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 08 May 2016 16:44:12 -0500 From: Robert Pesak <rkpsk1 at att.net> To: "stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl" <stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl>, KRnet ??? <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> fibre frax Message-ID: <fddtxtgptj8tcfiabgkpe8v2.1462743851855 at email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ? ? I would use the 1/16 that will be plenty. .if you use anything thicker it will cause stainless steel firewall metal to distort a lot more. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: stefkr2--- via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Date: 05/08/2016? 3:18 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: Kr net Kr net <krnet at list.krnet.org> Cc: stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl Subject: KR> fibre frax Hi guys I need to order the fibre frax for the fire wall. Wat thickness do you prefere 1/8 or 1/16. Whe have a titinium heatshealt so if a am looking to the weight I should prefere 1/16....but the other factor is safetyness... Stef -- Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S???? see?? http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2 _______________________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 21:55:41 +0000 From: Steven Bedford <s1bedford at msn.com> To: Mark Langford via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> MGL and the new instrument panel Message-ID: ??? <SN1PR18MB0431995C9A079F2D179F4579FB7F0 at SN1PR18MB0431.namprd18.prod.outlook.com> ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mark, This is a iefis g3 firmware upgrade from mgl?s website. I believe it was ported to the g2 iefis what is probably what you have. Hope this helps?. Steve Bedford Woodland Park, CO www.mglavionics.co.za 1 December 2015 version A 1.0.2.6 Added: Spread spectrum clocking on all peripherals, RS232, CAN bus as well as LCD display. This ?spreads? EMI spurious emissions over a larger frequency band thereby reducing peak power at any one specific frequency. This aids in suppressing radio RX noise from EFIS in compromised installations. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Mark Langford via KRnet<mailto:krnet at list.krnet.org> Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 9:02 PM To: KRnet<mailto:krnet at list.krnet.org> Cc: Mark Langford<mailto:ml at n56ml.com> Subject: Re: KR> MGL and the new instrument panel Don't get me started on the MGL iEFIS...it won't be pretty!? I'll have to write a web page on that, and it'll take months.? Suffice it to say that mine will change the FM radio in my hangar from perfect reception of a local station to complete "white noise" as soon as I flip the iEFIS on, and that's running off a backup battery with nothing else in the circuit!? And they think I have bad grounds, alternator, ignition, whatever it takes...but that's not what my oscilloscope says, and the FM radio agrees!? And it goes WAAAAY deeper than RFI, trust me.? More on that as the web page progresses. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 18:33:02 -0500 From: "Mark Wegmet" <markwegmet at charter.net> To: "'KRnet'" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: KR> Landing gear question Message-ID: <007f01d1a981$f6d53be0$e47fb3a0$@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="utf-8" I recently bought a couple of gear legs that are fiberglass and for a Grumman which have indicated that they will support a 2200 to 2400 pound aircraft. Obviously a KR as about 2/3's to 1/2's? that. Should I make them narrower or thinner (i.e., split them to reduce the thickness by about 50%) or narrower (i.e., make the width about 1/3 less than they are now)? They measure 3 3/4" X 1" at the bottom and 7 3/4" X 1" at the top and are 26 1/2" long. I think the length is good, but the other dimensions will be too stiff. What do you guys think? Thanks. Mark W. N952MW (res) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 08 May 2016 19:23:09 -0500 From: Paul Visk <ppaulvsk at aol.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear question Message-ID: <cef43ykb81hyo7a52vdp1g6m.1462753141220 at email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ? ? I have the same legs. ?I left my legs the same thickness and extrapolated dimensions from some pictures and a visit to some airplanes.I'm tapering the front and back edges to help forum the round nose and tapered trailing edge. Paul ViskBelleville IL618,406 4705 Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4 -------- Original message -------- From: Mark Wegmet via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Date: 05/08/2016? 6:33 PM? (GMT-06:00) To: 'KRnet' <krnet at list.krnet.org> Cc: Mark Wegmet <markwegmet at charter.net> Subject: KR> Landing gear question I recently bought a couple of gear legs that are fiberglass and for a Grumman which have indicated that they will support a 2200 to . I think the length is good, but the other dimensions will be too stiff. What do you guys think? Thanks. Mark W. N952MW (res) ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 18:57:11 -0700 From: <laser147 at juno.com> To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> USB GPS Message-ID: <AABMU95YXAJBRV9A at smtpout03.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While on the subject of electronic stuff I must mention this little marvel at the link below.? I bought two of them since they were so inexpensive.? The DELL tablet I'm preparing to use as a navigator (at least some of the time) doesn't have a built-in GPS, although the newest model of the Venue 8 Pro, (Model 5855 I believe) releaased this last January DOES have one and it's probably excellent.? But my DV8P didn't come with one so I started looking at GPS options.???True Flight sends one with the software - it's the typical magnetic base puck-type with a cord terminating in a micro-USB plug that either plugs directly into DELL's single micro-USB port, or into the OTG dongle that you have plugged into the DELL's port.? I had ordered two of these little thumb-drive-sized GPS's by the time True Flight's GPS arrived so I just returned it.???I found them on eBay.? There's a bunch of technical information regarding their heritage and capabilities that only someone like Jeff Scott could appreciate - all I know is when I plugged it into a USB port it instantly knew where it was.? Under a solid roof it was showing a variable array between 9 and 13 satellites.? If I understood what I was reading on their website, these little things pick up (I think) seven different GPS systems.? Ours, Europe's, Russia's, Japan's and at least two more.? I didn't know there were so many.? But there's a lot I don't know.? The DELL can use a BT GPS and Flight Cheetah supports that function, but I like the direct connection of it plugged into the OTG power supply dongle.? It gets signals, somehow, wherever I take it.? I haven't yet found a place sufficient to interfere with GPS reception.???I thought GPS signals were fragile.? If the behavior of these little devices is any indication, GPS signals will go through anything. For $14!! http://goo.gl/mvhcjF ____________________________________________________________ StyleBistro Her Dress Dropped Jaws At The Met Gala http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/572feed7cbf796ed51d9cst03vuc ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 03:34:29 -0400 From: Chris Prata <chrisprata at live.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> fibre frax Message-ID: <BLU179-W18C69D132D196626239747B6700 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm sure it will slow things down, but wouldnt an engine fire eventually (and quickly) burn around the edges and catch the wood behind the firewall that way? make fun of me all u want but my KR1 will have a BRS and I wear a personal chute that way I can save the plane if possible, myself if necessary > Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 16:32:23 -0500 > To: stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl; krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> fibre frax > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: Gary19521 at verizon.net > > >? ??? > To me, fire in flight is probably the scariest thing that could happen. Short of loosing tail or wing pieces.For the want of a 1/16th of an inch. Go with 1/8th inch. But then what the hell do I know. > Gary Hinkle, A&P, Comm pilot. > > ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 05:48:48 -0400 From: "Dan Heath" <danrh at windstream.net> To: "'KRnet'" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> fibre frax Message-ID: <002101d1a9d7$fc5337b0$f4f9a710$@net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="UTF-8" I used a "paint on" coating from AS.? It is supposed to actually extinguish the fire as it tries to burn the wood.? Don't know how well it works and thank God that I never had to find out.? Of course, that is with stainless over the wood as well. See N64KR at? <http://krbuilder.org/> http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 2016 KR Gathering ? Mt. Vernon, Ill. Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior and Panel at 2008 ? KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -----Original Message-----? ? I would use the 1/16 that will be plenty. .if you use anything thicker it will cause stainless steel firewall metal to distort a lot more. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 06:06:59 -0500 From: Paul Visk <ppaulvsk at aol.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> fibre frax/ BRS, personal chute Message-ID: <koah19e7ang0nsl5vownqt0a.1462792019697 at email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ? ? Chris, If this was Facebook. You would have gotten a like from me. Paul Visk ?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705? -------- Original message -------- From: Chris Prata via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Date: 05/09/2016? 2:34 AM? (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Cc: Chris Prata <chrisprata at live.com> Subject: Re: KR> fibre frax I'm sure it will slow things down, but wouldnt an engine fire eventually (and quickly) burn around the edges and catch the wood behind the firewall that way? make fun of me all u want but my KR1 will have a BRS and I wear a personal chute that way I can save the plane if possible, myself if necessary ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 04:33:09 -0700 From: <ml at n56ml.com> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> MGL and the new instrument panel Message-ID: ??? <20160509043309.d04b1abb1c854b54fd3150a99c6879d4.2fdfe2bdfc.wbe at email04.godaddy.com> ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Steve Bedford wrote: > This is a iefis g3 firmware upgrade from mgl?s website. I believe it was ported to the g2 iefis what is probably what you have. Thanks Steve, but mine's a G3 and I upgraded it to the new G3 firmware shortly after it was released in December, with high hopes, and could tell no discernible difference.? I was amazed that it was recently discovered that this processor was used in cell phones. I believe the phrase "suppressing radio RX noise from EFIS in compromised installations" is designed to imply "improper installation", but I've proven, with nothing more than the unit and a battery and an o-scope, that the only thing compromised about my installation is having that EFIS in the panel... Mark Langford, Harvest, AL ML "at" N56ML.com www.N56ML.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 07:29:56 -0500 From: Larry Flesner <flesner at frontier.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear question Message-ID: ??? <mailman.43.1462809614.27344.krnet_list.krnet.org at list.krnet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:33 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote: >I recently bought a couple of gear legs that are fiberglass and for >a Grumman? Should I make them narrower or thinner >Mark W. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Seeing no replies to your question I'll offer my "opinion".? If you are building a tail dragger I'd leave them full length.? A nose dragger may require you to shorten them to match the nose gear.? If you expect your KR to come in around the 700-750 pound range, many do now days, I'd leave them original thickness and cut them to the contour of the Diehl legs.? I've got 30" Diehl gear legs and I thickened them a bit.? That's my "opinion" based on my experience.? Jeff Scott has the only other set of 30" inch legs and I don't know if he "thickened" them or not.? Mine seemed to be a bit soft with two people , early in the build process. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 16:32:27 +0200 From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com> To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear question Message-ID: ??? <trinity-c0ca443c-a3cc-4364-8d60-b194578e6376-1462804346803 at 3capp-mailcom-bs04> ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ? ? >I recently bought a couple of gear legs that are fiberglass and for >a Grumman Should I make them narrower or thinner >Mark W. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Seeing no replies to your question I'll offer my "opinion". If you are building a tail dragger I'd leave them full length. A nose dragger may require you to shorten them to match the nose gear. If you expect your KR to come in around the 700-750 pound range, many do now days, I'd leave them original thickness and cut them to the contour of the Diehl legs. I've got 30" Diehl gear legs and I thickened them a bit. That's my "opinion" based on my experience. Jeff Scott has the only other set of 30" inch legs and I don't know if he "thickened" them or not. Mine seemed to be a bit soft with two people , early in the build process. Larry Flesner --------------------------- My gear legs have the micro with soda straws formed into the leading and trailing edges for brake lines and a wrap of BID glass to finish.? I've been pounding this poor plane on the ground relentlessly for over 1100 hours, usually at or near 1200#, and have never had any issues related to the landing gear.? Mine are a bit softer than many others, but that doesn't seem to affect them adversely. Soft gear makes for smooth landings.? :o) Like Larry, I think I would taper them to match the contour of the Diehl gear, give them a wrap with glass to finish and call it close enough. -Jeff Scott Los Alamso, NM ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html KRnet mailing list KRnet at list.krnet.org http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org ------------------------------ End of KRnet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 122 *************************************
