I just had to jump in and say I have a beautiful 1985 kr-2 that got it's AWC with a VW and later I mounted a Corvair and it was a flop. Now it sit's and wait's for the latest greatest engine to come along. "Bummer" -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/24/16, krnet-request at list.krnet.org <krnet-request at list.krnet.org> wrote:
Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 165 To: krnet at list.krnet.org Date: Friday, June 24, 2016, 11:00 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to ??? krnet at list.krnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? krnet-request at list.krnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at ??? krnet-owner at list.krnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: ???1. Re:? VW Engines (Kayak Chris) ???2. Re:? VW Engines (Kayak Chris) ???3. Re:? Revmaster R3000 (Dj Merrill) ???4. Re:? VW Engines (Bill Jacobs) ???5. Re:? VW Engines (Pete Klapp) ???6. Re:? VW Engines (n357cj) ???7. Re:? Axles? (Matt Quimby) ???8.? R-3000 (laser147 at juno.com) ???9. Re:? VW Engines (Larry Flesner) ? 10. Re:? VW Engines (n357cj) ? 11. Re:? VW Engines (Alastair Hawkins) ? 12. Re:? VW heads (Mark Langford) ? 13. Re:? Revmaster R3000 (Phillip Hill) ? 14.? Revmaster R2300 and R3000 info (Kayak Chris) ? 15. Re:? VW Engines (Phillip Hill) ? 16. Re:? VW Engines (Kayak Chris) ? 17. Re:? VW Engines - hub removal (Mark Langford) ? 18. Re:? VW Engines (Patrick Driscoll) ? 19.? painting update. (Mike Sylvester) ? 20. Re:? Cable safe (Daniel Heath) ? 21. Re:? painting update. (ml at n56ml.com) ? 22.? painting update (Mike Sylvester) ? 23. Re:? VW Engines (Tommy Waymack) ? 24. Re:? VW Engines (Chris Gardiner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:39:31 -0400 From: Kayak Chris <kayak1176 at gmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: ??? <CAF6k7fSREpqeBZhEL92EYzYm3gTSwwVEfcDWL=_VmAex7=cEWQ at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 how does a corvair engine get "run without a front bearing" and does this mean front main crank bearing, or some other bearing outboard of the case? Too bad the "soon to be officially mine" Corvair powered KR has taken to >> circulating the better part of the cam gear teeth throughout the engine? > > That sounds like an engine that was run without a front bearing for some > period of time. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:43:14 -0400 From: Kayak Chris <kayak1176 at gmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: ??? <CAF6k7fSh6hsh8YKBcpavuLWmdhJHVzAoa9EQJtcEqU8eqwKbig at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well this set of comments would have me steer well clear of GPASC engine. Even if they are reliable when properly mated and assembled, it sounds like their crankshaft/hub solution is not very serviceable down the line. After all these years how can this not been resolved? Presumably the revmaster solution is more certain in service and serviceability. Having built one of these several times, I'm not > a fan of the keyway setup.? The slots are in hub and crank are shallow, and > the key is provided as a square key that you need to grind (or mill) down to > something way thinner to fit between hub and crank. Getting a good fit with > maximum material is trial and error. The key is only there to ensure the > timing mark stays constant if the hub is removed.? The taper is where the > power is transferred. > > Crank and hub are also matched sets due to tolerances on the angle.? The hub > still needs to be lapped onto the crank, which is a two-hour chore by hand. > > The hub/bearing clearance is not consistent. The crank and bearing are sold > as a set, and getting a new bearing for an existing crank is iffy.? I've > torqued the case to 8 ft-lbs and the crank still spun, then when I torqued > it to 14 the crank seized.? No amount of refitting cured that one.???I'm not > a great fan of the prop bolt...1/2" RH threads. Revmaster's is .75" LH > threads, which can be torqued higher for a better connection. Otherwise, a > simple engine backfire can unscrew the prop, despite proper torque and > Loctite 620 on the bolt? threads. > > If the crankshaft's oil seal leaks, the hub isn't going to come off without > a 20 ton press, so tear the engine down to replace the seals, and hope the > next seals work better.? My luck with those seals has not been good either. > That's the only place my engine has lost oil. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:04:57 -0400 From: Dj Merrill <deej at deej.net> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Revmaster R3000 Message-ID: <eaba0371-526f-1174-4c87-df0ceda06eec at deej.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 06/22/2016 10:14 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote: > wow, that R3000 is interesting! > >> > https://issuu.com/panzera/docs/issue_104.5 That issue is from 2012.???What ever happened with the R3000?? I don't see any mention of it on their website: http://revmasteraviation.com/ -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87 Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:44:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Bill Jacobs <billjacobs386 at yahoo.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: ??? <1799902062.374730.1466703883317.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There are a couple of versions of an additional front mounted bearing. It's called a 5th bearing, BTA, (better than air), etc. Go to flycorvair.net or Dan Wesemans Fly with? SPA. Or google Corvallis 5th bearing.?Bill Jacobs Daytona Beach, Fl. ? ? On Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:44 PM, Kayak Chris via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: Well this set of comments would have me steer well clear of GPASC engine. Even if they are reliable when properly mated and assembled, it sounds like their crankshaft/hub solution is not very serviceable down the line. After all these years how can this not been resolved? Presumably the revmaster solution is more certain in service and serviceability. Having built one of these several times, I'm not > a fan of the keyway setup.? The slots are in hub and crank are shallow, and > the key is provided as a square key that you need to grind (or mill) down to > something way thinner to fit between hub and crank. Getting a good fit with > maximum material is trial and error. The key is only there to ensure the > timing mark stays constant if the hub is removed.? The taper is where the > power is transferred. > > Crank and hub are also matched sets due to tolerances on the angle.? The hub > still needs to be lapped onto the crank, which is a two-hour chore by hand. > > The hub/bearing clearance is not consistent. The crank and bearing are sold > as a set, and getting a new bearing for an existing crank is iffy.? I've > torqued the case to 8 ft-lbs and the crank still spun, then when I torqued > it to 14 the crank seized.? No amount of refitting cured that one.? I'm not > a great fan of the prop bolt...1/2" RH threads. Revmaster's is .75" LH > threads, which can be torqued higher for a better connection. Otherwise, a > simple engine backfire can unscrew the prop, despite proper torque and > Loctite 620 on the bolt? threads. > > If the crankshaft's oil seal leaks, the hub isn't going to come off without > a 20 ton press, so tear the engine down to replace the seals, and hope the > next seals work better.? My luck with those seals has not been good either. > That's the only place my engine has lost oil. _______________________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:57:01 -0400 From: Pete Klapp <pkengr at hotmail.com> To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: <BAY169-W927980B48D7DF71C6CCEB1CA2D0 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris Check out Roy Szarafinski's Fifth Bearing at roysgarage.com in Osseo, Michigan.Pete Klapp, building N729PK,Canton, Ohio > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:44:43 +0000 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: billjacobs386 at yahoo.com > > There are a couple of versions of an additional front mounted bearing. > It's called a 5th bearing, BTA, (better than air), etc. Go to flycorvair.net or Dan Wesemans Fly with? SPA. Or google Corvallis 5th bearing. Bill Jacobs Daytona Beach, Fl. > >? ???On Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:44 PM, Kayak Chris via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: >? > >? Well this set of comments would have me steer well clear of GPASC > engine. Even if they are reliable when properly mated and assembled, > it sounds like their crankshaft/hub solution is not very serviceable > down the line. > > After all these years how can this not been resolved? Presumably the > revmaster solution is more certain in service and serviceability. > > >? Having built one of these several times, I'm not > > a fan of the keyway setup.? The slots are in hub and crank are shallow, and > > the key is provided as a square key that you need to grind (or mill) down to > > something way thinner to fit between hub and crank. Getting a good fit with > > maximum material is trial and error. The key is only there to ensure the > > timing mark stays constant if the hub is removed.? The taper is where the > > power is transferred. > > > > Crank and hub are also matched sets due to tolerances on the angle.? The hub > > still needs to be lapped onto the crank, which is a two-hour chore by hand. > > > > The hub/bearing clearance is not consistent. The crank and bearing are sold > > as a set, and getting a new bearing for an existing crank is iffy.? I've > > torqued the case to 8 ft-lbs and the crank still spun, then when I torqued > > it to 14 the crank seized.? No amount of refitting cured that one.? I'm not > > a great fan of the prop bolt...1/2" RH threads. Revmaster's is .75" LH > > threads, which can be torqued higher for a better connection. Otherwise, a > > simple engine backfire can unscrew the prop, despite proper torque and > > Loctite 620 on the bolt? threads. > > > > If the crankshaft's oil seal leaks, the hub isn't going to come off without > > a 20 ton press, so tear the engine down to replace the seals, and hope the > > next seals work better.? My luck with those seals has not been good either. > > That's the only place my engine has lost oil. > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options > > >??? > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT) From: n357cj <n357cj at ptd.net> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: <635635597.9962358.1466705126829.JavaMail.zimbra at ptd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 This should really have read " without a 5th bearing". I'm one of the guys that had a failure of the alum. cam gear at just over 250 hours without the 5th bearing. Ironically there was no 5th bearing readily available at the time and my plane was scheduled to have the prototype installed after the trip that it failed on. I try to remind everyone at every chance I get that the crankshaft is not the only point of failure that has an impact from the use of a fifth bearing. The cam gear is a slow developing failure that oil analysis if likely the only way to detect. But trust me on this one when the cam gear fails the engine gets every bit as quite as when it is sleeping in the hanger. ?? I currently have about 650 hours on the prototype BTA. I will probably take the engine apart in the next couple months and if Dan wants to examine it I would return it to him to check out (although we have not talked about it yet) So to anyone that will listen ... put the dang 5th bearing on the corvair. Roy's or Dan's doesn't matter to me.. just do it. Joe Horton N357CJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kayak Chris via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Cc: "Kayak Chris" <kayak1176 at gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:39:31 PM Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines how does a corvair engine get "run without a front bearing" and does this mean front main crank bearing, or some other bearing outboard of the case? ?Too bad the "soon to be officially mine" Corvair powered KR has taken to >> circulating the better part of the cam gear teeth throughout the engine? > > That sounds like an engine that was run without a front bearing for some > period of time. _______________________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:17:06 -0400 From: Matt Quimby <crazymonkey16 at ptd.net> To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: Re: KR> Axles? Message-ID: <19AFCC64-6B76-4CA8-B7E9-E6383CF71C71 at ptd.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=windows-1252 On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:00 , krnet-request at list.krnet.org wrote: > Tommy Waymack wrote: > >> May need to upgrade to 3/4"axles and bearings. GPASC can help >? > Mark Langford wrote: > > I second this motion.? When I bought 891JF the wheels were splayed out > several degrees in both camber and toe-out.? I'm not sure what kind of > steel those 5/8" axles were made of, but they were quite soft and easily > bent, and not up to the job of landing a 1000 pound plane, apparently. > Fortunately those went away when I went to Matcos, which use the 1.25" > aluminum axles that are virtually bulletproof (tested to 5.5 g's, at > least) > . Thanks, all. I made a template based on the O?Keefe axles (where GPASC redirects their axles, brakes, and bearings) and I have one concern? the O?Keefe axle plate is a 2.5? square, with mounting holes spaced at 1.75?. When I line that template up with my landing gear bracket, the two lower holes are completely off the bracket. Are we just drilling two new holes closer to the axle and grinding away the material that doesn?t contact anything? Thanks again. -Matt ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:33:49 -0700 From: <laser147 at juno.com> To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> R-3000 Message-ID: <AABMY2QRGAQXHVA2 at smtpout02.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wow, that R3000 is interesting! > https://issuu.com/panzera/docs/issue_104.5 Calm down Chris.? That's way too much engine for your KR-1.? They pull 700 HP out of that motor (for ten seconds at a time). I agree though . . . it's an impressive bit of kit. ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 15:50:38 -0500 From: Larry Flesner <flesner at frontier.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: ??? <20160623205047.DDB0165E17 at filter03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >? I will probably take the engine apart in the next couple months > and if Dan wants to examine it I would return it to him to check out >Joe Horton N357CJ ----- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Not before the Gathering, I hope, unless you suspect problems.? Play safe............ Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:29:24 -0400 (EDT) From: n357cj <n357cj at ptd.net> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: <296029740.10076565.1466717364599.JavaMail.zimbra at ptd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just an pesky known issue ... I have the Harley-Davidson of the air. It marks it's spot where ever I park. I have decided that it is a defect in the block somewhere that the oil is leaking from. It has been doing it for years and I am just sick of it so i am replacing the block. it isn't a lot in the scheme of things, about a quart every 15 hours. But it sure makes a mess. I am currently preping the new block and making sure i have every part ready. I also have Roy making a CNC part for me to clean up my installation a bit. I might do it between OSH and the Gathering. I am certain that I can take the engine off on a Friday after work and have it back on the plane by sunday afternoon... So no problem to make it to the Gathering. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Flesner via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Cc: "Larry Flesner" <flesner at frontier.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 4:50:38 PM Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines >? I will probably take the engine apart in the next couple months > and if Dan wants to examine it I would return it to him to check out >Joe Horton N357CJ ----- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Not before the Gathering, I hope, unless you suspect problems.? Play safe............ Larry Flesner _______________________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:53:17 -0700 From: Alastair Hawkins <a_hawkins at telus.net> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: <576C5A4D.1020903 at telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I have removed the Force one hub by making a specialized puller. You copy the hub bolt pattern into a 1/4"thick steel sheet. Remove the prop bolt and hub? washer. Take a socket and install the bolt thru it into the hub, then add another socket so that it sticks out the front of the hub a 1/4". For the 2nd socket I used the one used to remove the prop hub bolt. Install the plate over the socket, adding 6 bolts thru to hub, tighten them up to about 50 foot pounds each, make sure to tighten them evenly. Then hit the plate in the center with a hammer, the hub will pop off and will be prevented from falling on the floor by the hub bolt. I have used this technique twice to remove the hub. Al Hawkins KR2 Port Coquitlam BC. Canada ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:22:17 -0500 From: Mark Langford <ml at n56ml.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW heads Message-ID: <67fc476f-1b2a-f46b-5abe-78cd21833152 at n56ml.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" I called Revmaster Tuesday, but got no answer.? Today was better, and I talked to a guy about their heads, hoping to find some with nice air passages as well as "advanced" valve seats.? The photo on Revmaster Aviation's website only shows the chamber side, and their website in general had lots of issues, such as an inop price list.? He told me to go look at the photos on the automotive website, since they were the same RM-049 heads for either application.? After seeing that photo, I was not impressed that the passages are much better than what has become normal for VW head castings, although the castings are clearly not stock VW derived. He also said their seat material was something like "latest technology that others are also using, not just cast iron", for what that's worth. I've been conversing with DRD Racing for a few days, and their Chinese-derived heads do indeed have large cooling passages.? Given the overall quality of these castings, I'm going to ASSume that they wouldn't install crappy seats in an otherwise decent looking head, so I've ordered a pair, especially after seeing a photo that DRD provided today.? 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Name: DRD_passages_small.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 72750 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://list.krnet.org/mailman/private/krnet_list.krnet.org/attachments/20160623/8451549e/attachment-0001.jpg> ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:44:04 -0500 From: Phillip Hill <phill.hill at gmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Revmaster R3000 Message-ID: ??? <CAJeERg1Jihbu8mMq8e8ObW08ByKPe33ayfbw9z-GPTZdk6pPGA at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 They routinely test their engines on the race track for quite some time before it appears on an aircraft...at least that's what I suspect. On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Dj Merrill via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org > wrote: > On 06/22/2016 10:14 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote: > > wow, that R3000 is interesting! > > > >> > https://issuu.com/panzera/docs/issue_104.5 > > That issue is from 2012.???What ever happened with the R3000?? I don't > see any mention of it on their website: > > http://revmasteraviation.com/ > > -Dj > > -- > Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87 > Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ > Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:57:04 -0400 From: Kayak Chris <kayak1176 at gmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: KR> Revmaster R2300 and R3000 info Message-ID: ??? <CAF6k7fR+vbn=5FokNeL2qbe1xoENrbj+vD5Wp7ncDhQBKETDMQ at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I inquired with them about the differences between the "quickie" 2180's of the 80's and newer engines. It was confirmation that the improvements are in displacement, CDI ignition, and head improvements. I was happy to confirm (again) that the bottom end is as tough then as now, aparently. I also asked about the R3000 and he said they are going to build it when financing allows mass production. here is part of their reply: The engine we build today is equipped with a self-energized CDI ignition system and the older engines had? Bendix magnetos which are no longer available.???It has an improved geared starter, newer RevFlow carburetor.? Some of the older engines had the old POSA.???The crankshaft is 84mm vs. the 78mm in the 2100.???The cylinders are 94mm vs. 92mm.? The camshaft has a higher lift and duration than the older engines.? ? There is a 40 amp alternating system, dual alternators 20 amps each, combines with dual voltage regulator/rectifiers.? The older engine had 15 amps only. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 20:29:36 -0500 From: Phillip Hill <phill.hill at gmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: ??? <CAJeERg2B+aYc02RVpMHYpsROCO+UrG31ywaNUq505NRFCU1fwg at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I don't know, I've been debating abandoning the KR with all the discouraging comments about the VW based designs. All the other options are super expensive. Seems flying is for the rich. On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Alastair Hawkins via KRnet < krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > I have removed the Force one hub by making a specialized puller. > > You copy the hub bolt pattern into a 1/4"thick steel sheet. > Remove the prop bolt and hub? washer. > Take a socket and install the bolt thru it into the hub, then add another > socket so that it sticks out the front of the hub a 1/4". > For the 2nd socket I used the one used to remove the prop hub bolt. > Install the plate over the socket, adding 6 bolts thru to hub, tighten > them up to about 50 foot pounds each, make sure to tighten them evenly. > Then hit the plate in the center with a hammer, the hub will pop off and > will be prevented from falling on the floor by the hub bolt. > > I have used this technique twice to remove the hub. > > Al Hawkins > KR2 > Port Coquitlam BC. > Canada > > > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:57:17 -0400 From: Kayak Chris <kayak1176 at gmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: ??? <CAF6k7fRs3A+ro7pEZ1QdAxUjVN2JiS=DpT4W2YnQ2kovhFFmJw at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 its not necessarily cheap but a KR is about as cheap as it gets. and I honestly have concluded that the VW can be acceptably reliable and easy / cheap to maintain. On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Phillip Hill via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > I don't know, I've been debating abandoning the KR with all the > discouraging comments about the VW based designs. All the other options are > super expensive. Seems flying is for the rich. > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:47:50 -0500 From: Mark Langford <ml at n56ml.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines - hub removal Message-ID: <d65f6695-c493-e9cc-ee0a-6c50feea7018 at n56ml.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Alastair Hawkins wrote: > I have removed the Force one hub by making a specialized puller. That's good to know.? Maybe I'll try to replace my oil seals after all. I use the press because Steve Bennett told me there was no way to get the hub off without a press.? I'll bet you've already learned the "keep the keyway facing up" lesson... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 23:06:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Patrick Driscoll" <patrick36 at usfamily.net> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: <FD2B49E80C754AB8822420402D82F1F9 at Rover> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; ??? reply-type=original Chris said: its not necessarily cheap but a KR is about as cheap as it gets. and I honestly have concluded that the VW can be acceptably reliable and easy / cheap to maintain. Please fellows, do not degrade the KR. The word to use is, "inexpensive". Patrick Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36 at usfamily.net www.pensbypat.com If you can read this, Thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 04:18:40 +0000 From: Mike Sylvester <SHAGSTER60 at hotmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: KR> painting update. Message-ID: ??? <BLUPR03MB139678909689C0D6A72A0E29C42E0 at BLUPR03MB1396.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey guys, I should have said sanding update as I have been basically taking off most all of the 2 part epoxy primer. Six days of hellish 12 hour days but the sanding is over with. Gonna try my hand at painting tomorrow. I'll let you know how it comes out. Let me say that I will never build another composite airplane, An all metal Sonex is looking good about now. Mike Sylvester kr2s builder Birmingham,AL. Cell no.205-966-3854 ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 06:13:31 -0400 From: "Daniel Heath" <danrh at windstream.net> To: "'KRnet'" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Cable safe Message-ID: <002701d1ce01$0f6f0c00$2e4d2400$@net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="iso-8859-1" This is the one I used on the BlackBird.? Inexpensive and easy to use. http://m.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/cablesafe.php?recfer=15096 See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics? 2016 KR Gathering ? Mt. Vernon, Ill. Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior and Panel at 2008 ? KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 04:08:36 -0700 From: <ml at n56ml.com> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> painting update. Message-ID: ??? <20160624040836.d04b1abb1c854b54fd3150a99c6879d4.3c33b0d773.wbe at email04.godaddy.com> ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mike Sylvester wrote: >> Hey guys, I should have said sanding update as I have been basically taking off most all of the 2 part epoxy primer. Six days of hellish 12 hour days but the sanding is over with. Gonna try my hand at painting tomorrow. I'll let you know how it comes out. Let me say that I will never build another composite airplane, An all metal Sonex is looking good about now.<< Yep, high build primer is designed to sand, but 2 part epoxy is intended to go on and stay there, sanding or not!? You'll appreciate that composite airplane when you leave the Sonexes in the dust.? This exercise in futility will seem insignificant when you fly it to the Gathering the first time.? We're proud of ya! Mark Langford, Harvest, AL ML "at" N56ML.com www.N56ML.com ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 14:16:53 +0000 From: Mike Sylvester <SHAGSTER60 at hotmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: KR> painting update Message-ID: ??? <BLUPR03MB1396A9EB54F053940EFAD854C42E0 at BLUPR03MB1396.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Alright guys, went out at daylight to spray the wing tip before the heat got to bad. Tips look fantastic. Might try to spray color stripe on fuselage in the morning.? Already starting to forget about the sanding Larry. LOL. Mike Sylvester kr2s builder Birmingham,AL. Cell no.205-966-3854 ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 09:50:56 -0500 From: Tommy Waymack <5blindate at gmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: ??? <CANwmPb024OTkqNNHet1Mg22Lxzm09v=dVte0Nh0nFYVDd03=OQ at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I guess after 26 years behind a VW,I was dumb to think it would be a good choice.Tommy W.Never did land off airport. On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:06 PM, Patrick Driscoll via KRnet < krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > Chris said: its not necessarily cheap but a KR is about as cheap as it > gets. and I > honestly have concluded that the VW can be acceptably reliable and > easy / cheap to maintain. > > Please fellows, do not degrade the KR. The word to use is, "inexpensive". > Patrick Driscoll > Saint Paul, MN > patrick36 at usfamily.net > www.pensbypat.com > If you can read this, Thank a teacher > If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 11:09:18 -0400 From: Chris Gardiner <cgardn628 at rogers.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> VW Engines Message-ID: <2F24C35D-722E-4A86-BD02-DBAB9EDBF41C at rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii I have to agree with the VW fans. So far 250 trouble free hours on the GPACS 2180 Only two minor precautionary "returns to home airport after takeoff" which can both be blamed on me , not the engine. Secondary timing drive slipped due to loose clamp on one occasion and broken push rod , end cap on the other occasion (cracked on assembly due to too much interference fit). No issues with oil leaking from bearing on Force One hub or slippage on the crank. Guess I lapped it in well enough before torquing it (2 hours). Valve adjustment is a constant pain as are small oil leaks but nothing to complain about really. I don't run it hard and generally cruise at 20"map and 2900 rpm after 5 minutes WOT for takeoff. Cheers Chris Gardiner KR2S CGKRZ Sent from my iPad > On Jun 24, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Tommy Waymack via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > > I guess after 26 years behind a VW,I was dumb to think it would be a good > choice.Tommy W.Never did land off airport. > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:06 PM, Patrick Driscoll via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > >> Chris said: its not necessarily cheap but a KR is about as cheap as it >> gets. and I >> honestly have concluded that the VW can be acceptably reliable and >> easy / cheap to maintain. >> >> Please fellows, do not degrade the KR. The word to use is, "inexpensive". >> Patrick Driscoll >> Saint Paul, MN >> patrick36 at usfamily.net >> www.pensbypat.com >> If you can read this, Thank a teacher >> If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html KRnet mailing list KRnet at list.krnet.org http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org ------------------------------ End of KRnet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 165 *************************************
