Gentlemen,

My cursory search of the internet has revealed that the phrase attributed to 
Col Benjamin Hawkins (1754-1816) is 'God willing and the Creek don't rise' and 
even this may not be the original version of this saying.  There is also 
dispute as to the meaning of the word 'Creek' and it is a modern error to 
presume that 'the creek don't rise' is a grammatical error.  There are also 
those who can find no evidence in Hawkins preserved writings to credit him with 
the saying in any case.  There is wide ranging discussion as to the origin of 
the saying, but all that aside, the meaning is well understood and most 
certainly both forms of the saying are as valid.

Noel Tesch.


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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of 
Patrick Driscoll
Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012 1:11 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> GATHERING WEATHER AND OTHER IDEAS

with God willing and the creeks don't rise.

Mark, I hate to be one to correct  another person, (not really, I have a ball 
doing it/), but the saying you used above is actually a response from a 
Senator, (don't recall his name), who was asked to come to Washington, (back in 
the 1700's) and sent a reply saying, "I'll be there if the good Lord's willing 
and the Creek don't rise". The reference to the Creek was to a tribe of Indians 
called the Creek, who were giving the settlers trouble at the time.
    Now you are almost as smart as I am.




Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
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www.pensbypat.com
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