Hi, the statement quoted below seems to come from a position that I might have suggested deletion of the strain relief/vibration loop in the oil line or other application.
I did not make that assertion. My assertion is that there are more reasons than only strain relief or vibration tolerance to occasionally employ a loop in a tubing installation. As far as oil pressure sensing or monitoring in a KR goes: In my aircraft engine installations I use not just a loop but a coil of 2 turns for strain relief and vibration tolerance in my metal tubing between the engine and firewall. Also I use steel tubing rather than copper for greater toughness and resilience as copper makes for a poor performing spring compared to steel. Also in my KR there are two tubes present with one for oil pressure sensing and another for fuel primer. These tubes are 1/8" OD and terminated with brazed on brass fittings at the engine end, flare fittings at the other end. My 1/8 OD steel tubing is a bit small inside and so seems to make the primer slow to operate in case you're wondering. The tubing had the advantage of being on hand. The steel tubing I found was 1/8 OD and has what most would describe was a "thick wall" profile, leaving a very small passage inside as I recall. No orifice for this install as the tubing inner diameter is so small that equivalent function of the orifice is the tube itself. My co-workers say a tube of this style is a capillary tube. My KR oil pressure tubing is functionally redundant as it is backed up using a grand rapids system engine info system in which the tubing functionality is performed by electrical wires via an electric engine mounted oil pressure sensor. The grand rapids system provides a single red warning light for for any engine parameter out of range. So If I am busy and don't notice the low oil pressure indication on the gauge then the red light will alert me to "something's wrong". If I were to do it over I would install an oil pressure gauge and an oil pressure low warning light controlled by an engine mounted oil pressure sensing switch. A "something's wrong" general purpose indicator light turns out to be not so great a message. Better if the warning light's meaning were more specific. The grand rapids digital display will automatically pop up the answer to "where did the alarm come from?" on the digital display, but only after it deletes all other display data so suddenly you can not see any other parameter on the display unless you start pushing buttons. Or if set to multi display you have to start reading the display. Just reading that display is not as quick and effortless as seeing a simple specific warning light. Oil pressure sensing is only one of many channels of info in the grand rapids system and I want to record all that stuff so it has it's benefits. I am just saying that a more simple and functionally effective backup to the oil pressure gauge would be a cheap lamp and pressure switch: a classic idiot light for oil pressure. I am considering removing (in software) the low oil alarm from the grand rapids display while retaining the recording functionality and addition of the low oil pressure specific warning light described above to the instrument panel. With a dedicated low oil pressure warning light I could relegate the grand rapids unit to displaying a smaller selection of error conditions, raising the specificity of the indications. jg On Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 07:17 <shafferj45...@twc.com> wrote: > To KRnet Attn: John Gotschall > > To KRnet Attn: John Gotschall On the rigid installations, that you described, with no vibration, whatsoever, Consider that all metals expand and contract, via temperature changes. Engine oiling systems have a rather large temperature change. You will never see the expansion and contraction of that little copper tube, but it is happening. This causes " Work Hardening ", of the copper tube, just as any metal being stressed by vibration, bending forces, etc. At some point, these stresses will cause any metal to fail at the point of concentrated stress. The loop is there to spread out, or minimize, any fatigue of the tube at any one single point. We all have choices, but why would anyone want to bet their life on such matters. ________________________________ -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/