Ross Gardler wrote:
[CC'd to labs to get comment from there too]
crossposting, mmhh... so I reply to labs specific stuff here and SoC
stuff there...
2009/3/14 Bernd Fondermann <[email protected]>
Ross Gardler wrote:
From the labs board report:
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== GSoC09 ==
The Vysper Lab is reaching out for GSoC09 students with one proposal [2].
[1]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/labs-labs/200902.mbox/%[email protected]%3e
[2] http://wiki.apache.org/general/SummerOfCode2009#vysper-project
--- End Quote ---
The goal of GSoC is to engage students with open source software
development
communities.
The goal of Apache Labs is to "to provide the necessary resource to
promote
and maintain the innovative power within the Apache community without the
burden of community building. " (https://labs.apache.org)
I'm concerned that a lab is not the right place to introduce students to
the
way we do things over here, that is, labs explicitly do not do community
development. If Vysper asked to be a part of GSoC outside of the ASF
umbrella it would not (IMHO) be accepted.
Thoughts?
Labs is as much about community as every other project here at Apache.
Maybe this does not manifest yet, if you look at how lablings work today,
but that's how it's bound to be.
[Note that I start negative and end positive, so don't reply whilst reading,
you may be wasting your time ;-)]
I don't agree. Labs was specifically created so that people don't need to
worry about building community and managing the project in the formal way
that ASF projects are managed. As I quote above, the second sentence of the
labs home page includes the words "without the burden of community
building".
But you shouldn't read this as: "Community is building is wrong at
labs." Quite the contrary! If it wasn't a collaborative project, it
wouldn't be an Apache project and labs wouldn't be able to enter the
Incubator.
All of the overhead of running a community focussed open source project is
removed within labs. If a labs project starts to attract a community it must
leave and enter the Incubator.
There is no hard limit to leave labs.
I think you are overemphasizing the community-aversion of Labs.
Its just not a precondition to enter like at Incubator.
I copied this mail to labs. But the decision about how to handle this will
be made on code-awards, not labs. If people want to track the progress of a
lab application they need to join code awards.
Sure, just as with any other application, I'd guess?
Bernd
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