On Tuesday, Jul 1, 2003, at 22:49 US/Eastern, W & N Lafferty (Noelene) wrote:

One way of looking at it is that if there is only enough meat for one, then there's not much food about,

Depends... Meat isn't the only food in the world :) At about 18, I was stunned to discover that some people ate it only once a week ("my husband cooks, except for Sunday, when it's meat"); my parents taught me to think myself deprived if I didn't get it 3 times a day and, even my family in the village had it at least once a day. But none of those who got it once a week only were undernourished. In a *nomadic* culture (hunters/gatherers), meat might be the primary food and a good reason to slow down the growth of the tribe when it goes scarce. But not in a farming society; there, meat may become a luxury (and be apportioned, accordingly, to those at the top of the "pecking order") but it's not absolutely necessary for survival (as all our vegetarians can testify <g>).


The best way of doing this is making sure a woman's body fat is below a certain level (forget what), then she can't fall pregnant.

I never knew (so it's not a matter of forgetting, for once <g>) what that level is, but it's very, very low. The women in Auschwitz and other "labor camps" (walking skeletons) didn't menstruate, so couldn't get pregnant. But it was not the lack of *meat*; it was the lack of *any food*, combined with hard work


Kill off the number of men in warfare, the women can still easily repopulate.
Restrict the woman's ability to conceive, you restrict tribe numbers.

Yes, but that's not the aim here; nobody wants to stop women from conceiving and giving birth, not in the present political "climate" in the US. Quite the opposite. And the "advice" in the URL Toni quoted is given from the point of view of the *child* -- either unborn, or the nursing infant -- as the precious entity to be preserved, at any cost, to... Who else? Women... Same old, same old...


Eating up so I have a good fat covering to withstand the cold

<g> I wonder how many people still follow that principle, what with controlled temperatures (inside) both in summer and winter... But I grew up with "knowing", almost instinctively, that some foods were "winter" and some were "summer". All the "winter" ones were much more fat-laden than the "summer" ones; even when meat was available 3 times a day, it was *different* meat (no bacon in summer, though skinned chicken in jelly was OK <g>)... And, even when things progressed to the point where more than potatoes and cabbage and apples were available all year round, we still had a totally different diet, depending on the season. Not my parents, who seemed to be bent on making up for years of childhood deprivation, but me and my village family...


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