I believe that both of these lace items are machine made. It is very common for lace sellers (who often don't really know much about lace) to label any lace item as 'handmade'. As is often said, let the buyer beware!
It's not only eBay that has that problem. I was in a little antique shop (in Kent) a couple of years ago which had a lot of linens and laces on offer and most of it was, to me, obviously machine made but was labelled 'handmade'. So I queried one piece and asked how it was made; tatted, crocheted, bobbins, needle or what? "By hand" was the answer "How?" I asked, "With the hands of course!" I left it there!
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Most important is to get accustomed to the look of handmade lace. Most machinemade lace has something done differently to produce the 'look' of the lace within the limits of the machine action. Half stitch might be done differently. Clothwork may be done in a single direction instead of following the flow of the design.
There are exceptions to every rule; Machine made half stitch generally has vertical and diagonal threads, handade BL has horizontal and diagonal threads in the half stitch, but 's Gravenmoer lace (handmade BL) has half stitch with vertical and diagonal threads.
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If you can see the footedge of a length of lace that is very often the give-away. Handmade BL always has pairs of threads (apart from the gimps)
but machine made laces more often than not have a single, thicker thread right at the edge of the footside.
Brenda
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