Hello one and all, I would like to add if you take the diagram you are working with (enlarge it and have it colored in) have it laying on some styrofoam beside your pillow. The one thing that has pulled me out of many holes is to also put a pin in the same place on the enlarged diagram as you just put on your pillow. I also have trouble with roseground so this helps me with my problem. Mary Derrick
Tamara P Duvall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On May 20, 2005, at 13:12, Lynn Weasenforth wrote: > I am writing to ask for some help, I am trying to do roseground. I am > working > in Bobbin Lacemaking by Doris Southard, on page 153-154 there is a > little > coaster or doily, I have tried and tried and I can't get the > roseground to > work, can anyone help me. The "broken rhythm" of roseground can be confusing; you don't work down a diagonal line, pin by pin, the way you do in most other grounds (like Torchon, for example). Southard recognises that, and makes a point of devoting a separate chapter to the subject. Making the samples on pp 87-92 (one an insertion/bookmark, one an edging) will teach you all you need to know about the sequence of making a single "rose", and how those "roses" connect, and which stitches Southard prefers to use where, and how the variations end up looking. There's another edging with roseground in it, which builds on the previous experience (fewer explanations) on p 124. That's the second pattern in chapter 8 titled: "How to Begin Without Directions". The first sentence of it is: "I hope you're beginning to have confidence in your own ability to work out a new pattern without directions". Obviously, it presupposes that you'd done *all* your exercises like a good little lacemaker :) And, even so, it gets you started with a *straight* piece, not a square one. If roseground *as such* is your problem, you should be all set, both for explanations and for practice - with, and without every pin being marked in sequence. The little coaster/medallion you're referring to (pp 154-5 in my copy of the book) is a different story altogether... :) For those who don't have the book, I'll explain. There's a single (generic? ) pricking, with photos of 3 different pieces of lace shown; each of the pieces can be made on the same pricking, with the "fir" fan edges being common to all 3, but with different "insides". The problem is that the "insides" markings on the pricking are drawn to match only one of the 3 photos - the first one, with cloth stitched trails. That means that the little diamonds usually marking the roseground are *not there*. One has to copy the pricking - probably by hand, on tracing paper - omitting the lines for the trails, and putting in the diamonds for the "roses" (diamonds? roses? is it Valentine's Day *again*??? ) instead. Additionally, the "medallion" is a square - you work one triangle, turn the pillow 90 degrees, work the next triangle, etc. Working a square is often a problem in itself but, in the book, the nearest one can get to help on how to deal with it is by working some of the corners earlier on (chapter 7: "Turning a Corner") - an inward pointing triangle is, in essence, an extention of a corner: it just moves deeper in. "Bells corner II" (p 102) and "Rose edging corner" (p 104) would be probably the most relevant ones to the square with roseground, though both would need some "extending" - in depth, in combining the two patterns (one has the "right" fan at the edge, the other has the roseground on a diagonal). And neither of them starts at a corner, which a square - inevitably - does. And just to rub some salt in... :) My copy of the book says: "begin with pairs 8 and 9" (out of 14), but you have to have it "in your blood" to know, "instinctively" (even "instinct" can be taught ), to start counting from left to right. Not that it would do you a blind bit of good - nor understanding roseground, either - *to* start on those pins and converging on the pin below, if you want to get the same result as that pictured... I've been playing around half the evening, drawing in the diamonds (it's nice, having a copier at home, and being able to start over without having to erase the earlier efforts ), and still can't figure how to do it, while hanging in on those pins... The pattern has a rose going down the centre of the diagonal - ie, it goes against the principle of having a rose each side of the corner-bisecting line... :) I think I *could* make this pattern up *and* match the photo, but would not recommend that Lynn, with much less general experience, should try it this minute :) As it is, with Torchon being - generally - in my deeply buried past, I'm happy that the particular pattern doesn't "sing to me" to the point where it's "do, or die in the attempt"... -- Tamara P Duvall http://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
