Thank you very much Lynn, for your thorough and professional review of the 
subject.  I think that our tri-, quatra-, ses-..."-tenail" discussion of this 
mat has been exhaustive, as usual, and hope it can be put to rest.  As Devon 
has expressed, I find this piece to be less than thrilling, at any rate.  There 
are many more stunning patterns available, so why bother to try for something 
of inferior design, just because the pricking is hard to find!?

Clay

Clay Blackwell
Virginia, USA

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> On Jan 7, 2014, at 7:53 PM, "Lyn Bailey" <lynrbai...@desupernet.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> If I were advising someone who came to me to find out if she should risk 
> using an illegal pricking for Miss Channer's mat, I would go through the 
> usual explanation of the law, which, I must admit, I do not know, since my 
> area of expertise is in criminal defense and family law.  I would point out 
> the worst possible case.  I would point out what could be done.  I would 
> point out that all the penalties involved, which, the way it is in the US, at 
> least, would be civil, that is, money, a reimbursement of profits.  I would, 
> however, also point out that she would have to be caught.  If you publish the 
> pricking with or without the idea of sale, we know there is someone out there 
> who will sue, as has been done when a book was published. However, morals and 
> ethics aside for a moment, if one makes the mat and puts it in a frame or a 
> tray to use in one's home, what is the chance obeing caught?  Are your 
> friends who come to tea going to rat on you?   Even if I spoke about my 
> project o!
 n Arachne, what are the chances of the prosecutor in the book publishing case 
coming into my home or writing me to demand that I show proof that I used a 
'legal' pricking?  It is not, I think, really worth the effort of the 
prosecutor in that situation, if they ever got wind of the situation.  Profits 
from the publication of a book are one thing.  What monetary advantage do I get 
from using an illegal pricking.  In the US at least, I am not going to jail in 
these circumstances.  I am not, of course, advocating that people act in a way 
which is contrary to the law, but I believe it is a question that might be 
asked in this particular situation. It is not a situation where someone is 
being deprived of the profits of an item in print.  Is this a slippery slope?  
The thin edge of the wedge?  Is anyone being harmed?  Does my client want to be 
involved in this?  That is, more or less. up to her.
> 
> Another point is that one might write to those we think might be the 
> possessor of the copyright and ask if one may use the pricking for one's 
> personal use to make a mat.  Who knows, they might just give permission.
> 
> Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where they tell us the dangerous cold is 
> over, and now it's just very cold.  Even my Newfoundland dog did not want to 
> be outside for very long, and she likes to lie down and sleep in the snow. 
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