To the extent that I am looking at messages online, that would be great. However, my cellphone doesn't display favicons very well.
Meanwhile, I did some more explorations into using XRIs @ahynes1/identica, as an XRI reference, now forwards property to identi.ca Check out http://xri.net/@ahynes1/identica @ahynes1/twitter works the same way. Ideally, any reference to @user/system could be displayed as <a href=http://xri.net/@user/system>@user/system</a> and if the user has registered and set up XRI properly, it would link to the proper site. On top of that, I can now log into identi.ca using @ahynes1 as my OpenId. I thought that was pretty cool. For more on this, check out Identi.ca, OpenID and XRI http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/3190 Aldon -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Daniel Renfer Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:00 PM To: Aldon Hynes Cc: Laconica Developers Mailing List Subject: Re: [Laconica-dev] Namespacing usernames for cross-platform routing One thing that might be interesting to see microblogging services do is replace the @ portion of a message with the favicon of the service that that user belongs to. (of course @ would be the alternate text of that image) As an example of this, look at what Livejournal does with links to other users. As far as how to link the users, we must be careful not to assume that every service has it's own domain. Would it be too much to ask that microblogging services contact other servers to retrieve a URI template to translate [EMAIL PROTECTED] to http://identi.ca/bob or [EMAIL PROTECTED] into http://kronkltd.net/statuses/duck It's really too bad that the microblogging community at large has already gotten into the habit of preceding a username with @ because @[EMAIL PROTECTED] looks dumb, and something like [EMAIL PROTECTED] would work so much better. The @ symbol has been used as the seperator between usernames and domains by so many other services, that it only makes sense to keep it there as opposed to using something else. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Aldon Hynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, XRI may be the better way to go, particularly since OpenID 2.0 includes support for XRI XRI format is already essentially the same as the format for names in microblogging (e.g. @corp or =name ) Based on this, I like @ahynes1 @ahynes1/identica etc. to stay with the basic XRI format. I would leave the xri path up to the different folks as to what it should mean. For those wanting to stay with an XRI format, @ahynes1 would be xri://@ahynes1 when in normal URI format. To test this idea, I set my XRI identifier =aldon.hynes/identica to point to my identi.ca profile. Unfortunately, ids that start with @ are considered corporate and cost $55/year to register. I did just register @ahynes1, and am waiting for it to be set up. Then I can really test @ahynes1/identica Thoughts? Comments? Aldon =aldon.hynes -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Cascio, Jr. Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:09 PM To: Derek Gathright Cc: Laconica Developers Mailing List Subject: Re: [Laconica-dev] Namespacing usernames for cross-platform routing Absolutely agree. A URI is the only way. I think the most compelling reason, other that being a well-known standard already, is that a URI makes discovery possible. So, for instance, I could be "http://joecascio.net";. Just like my blog home page declares my OpenID server and delegate, so it could declare my microblogging server and ID. This also helps to attack the problem of ID proliferation. The individual sub-IDs I may be known by for email, IM, microblogging or whatever now can be subsumed by one master ID, or as many as I want to have to serve my various on-line activities, sort of like carrying multiple credit cards. JoeC On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Derek Gathright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How exactly we namespace micro-blogging usernames was a topic Evan discussed at Bearhug Camp and unfortunately I wasn't able to be in attendance to throw in my 2 cents. But to me this is an extremely important issue that deserves discussion, so I'm bringing the debate here. Here's the problem (as I see it): If microblogging/micromessaging/tweeting/whateveryouwanttocallit is going to truly be cross-platform, there needs to be a way to direct messages not only to users within your own platform (i.e. Twitter, Identi.ca, etc...) as well as direct messages to users on other platforms (like how email works). Also, when your message/tweet is sent to another platform and it has an @reply in it, how is that @reply portrayed on that other platform? Example: Currently there are Identi.ca users that make use of a bridge to relay their messages from Identi.ca to Twitter, and when those messages contain an @reply, those also get carried over to Twitter. That's fine & dandy until someone sends an @reply to identi.ca/bob who is different from twitter.com/bob, and twitter.com/bob starts getting all these tweets in his reply timeline that are not really supposed to be directed at him. The purist in me says that is a big issue that needs to be resolved before more people start doing the same thing (*cough* http://laconi.ca/trac/ticket/68) because it can have a detrimental effect on the experience for users on other systems. Unfortunately I don't remember all the options Evan had written on the whiteboard at Bearhug Camp, but here are some that I had thought of a few weeks back when this issue arose @identi.ca/derek @derek/identi.ca @derek::identi.ca @[EMAIL PROTECTED] @http://identi.ca/derek etc... You can see patterns develop, and really it just comes down to what symbols you want to use. So what are the similarities/differences between them? Well, all of them are made-up URI's aside from the ones that actually point to the user's true URI, @http://identi.ca/derek & @identi.ca/derek. As a client developer that has played with mixing twitter & identi.ca timelines (unlike Twhirl for example which separates them into different windows) I've really thought about this issue, and the only one that really makes sense to me is the true URI. If micro-blogging proliferates as much as we hope, multi-platform clients are going to be fed many @reply messages directed at users that aren't hosted on their platform. If I get a message that contains @derek/twitarmy in my client, I would have have zero idea where to actually point for that user's URI or what platform "twitarmy" even is unless I rely on a list of all the micro-blogging platforms out there (bad idea). However, if my client gets a message that contains @army.twit.tv/derek and I have never heard of "army.twit.tv", it's no big deal because I have a great idea of where to point my user to in order to find more information about "derek". Platforms and/or clients can also of course hide the service domain if it doesn't make sense to display that info (i.e. if the recipient is on the same domain as the sender). Just think about how different the internet would be if email addresses weren't "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" but instead would be "gmail.com/drgath". That would in fact be your true URI where people could send messages to via email, could visit via HTTP to see who that person is, could chat with that person via XMPP by adding that user to their buddy list, could be used as an OpenID, etc... Social networking would have evolved much differently and there may not be the need for developer unfriendly silos like MySpace and Facebook. Social networking could be... *gasp*... distributed! We can finally use a "Universal Resource Identifier" to actually be a universal way to identify and access a person. Now, adding all of the additional modules to handle that functionality may or may not ever happen, but the potential is at least there. Back to Bearhug Camp... I didn't catch all of the conversation surrounding this namespacing/routing issue and where the conversation left off. But I did see Evan erase the "@http://identi.ca/username"; option and said he was comfortable with the other approaches. It was one of those slow-motion "nooooooo!" moments and I wanted to raise the issue to see what other developers thought. Am I crazy? _______________________________________________ Laconica-dev mailing list [email protected] http://mail.laconi.ca/mailman/listinfo/laconica-dev _______________________________________________ Laconica-dev mailing list [email protected] http://mail.laconi.ca/mailman/listinfo/laconica-dev
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