Actually, the canvas attribute <canvas debug="true"/>
controls if debugging is compiled in, and the <debug> tag just specifies the location of the debug window. If you omit the <debug> tag, you still get a debugger, in some default location. Maybe we should have a little debugger brainstorming session some time and see if there's some rationalization to be done. There's a bunch of quirky things being done right now. We still need some way to specify debugger options though. On 3/16/07, John Sundman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
A rare instance of Tucker and John talking past each other. There is no reason to keep the tag, long term. It's just that before it goes away I will have to change all the examples that depend on it. They may not work nicely now, but they work. If the tag is removed from the the compiler's knowledge, they will not compile, which would be worse. Please, be my guest -- do away with the tag. Just tell me how I should code the examples instead, and give me a little time to do it. jrs On Mar 15, 2007, at 11:29 PM, P T Withington wrote: > You didn't answer my question. By default, the debugger auto-sizes > itself to the bottom 1/2 of the canvas. If you use the debug tag > to give it an explicit size or position and then change the canvas > size, you have to remember to update the debug tag or you may find > the debugger partly (or completely) off the canvas. I am looking > for a reason to keep the debug tag. > > On 2007-03-15, at 20:45 EDT, John Sundman wrote: > >> It's just a matter of making sure my examples don't break. >> >> You use the debugger to debug. I use it as a pedagogical device. >> >> jrs >> >> On Mar 15, 2007, at 8:32 PM, P T Withington wrote: >> >>> Why? What do you need it for? If you leave it out, do you not >>> get a decent default (by default the debugger is in the bottom >>> 1/2 of the canvas)? I find that 99% of the time I am better off >>> without it. >>> >>> On 2007-03-15, at 20:13 EDT, John Sundman wrote: >>> >>>> That's fine with me, so long as we give people enough advanced >>>> notice. I use the <debug> tag in many many examples in the docs. >>>> >>>> jrs >>>> >>>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:10 PM, P T Withington wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ah. Or, we could eliminate the <debug> tag and only have >>>>> console debugging, instead of inline debugging. >>>>> >>>>> On 2007-03-15, at 17:58 EDT, Jim Grandy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A fuller answer is that we now document special forms >>>>>> separately from classes. The 'Debug' class *is* documented in >>>>>> the reference guide, but we need to add an entry for the >>>>>> <debug> special canvas element. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Jim Grandy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There was no documentation in the schema next to that entry, >>>>>>> so I think I didn't notice it when I was extracting >>>>>>> documentable special forms. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll add it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:43 PM, P T Withington wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There used to be an entry, did it disappear? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.openlaszlo.org/lps/docs/reference/debug.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2007-03-15, at 14:52 EDT, Jim Grandy wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's quite possible to add an entry for the 'debug' tag in >>>>>>>>> the refguide, but I'd rather wait until 4.0.1. Will you >>>>>>>>> file a bug with pointers to relevant information? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> jim >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 11:28 AM, P T Withington wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, there's some doc in the change note you may want to >>>>>>>>>> incorporate... The <debug> tag is one of those 'special >>>>>>>>>> forms', that have to be documented somehow. Actually, >>>>>>>>>> IWBNI we could just eliminate it in both runtimes. But >>>>>>>>>> that's for another day. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2007-03-15, at 14:23 EDT, John Sundman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> approved. OR were you just informing? Well, approved >>>>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> jrs >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 12:56 PM, P T Withington wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Change 20070315-ptw-J by [EMAIL PROTECTED] on >>>>>>>>>>>> 2007-03-15 12:49:29 EDT >>>>>>>>>>>> in /Users/ptw/OpenLaszlo/legals-1 >>>>>>>>>>>> for http://svn.openlaszlo.org/openlaszlo/branches/ >>>>>>>>>>>> legals >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Summary: Don't generate empty debugger view in DHTML >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bugs Fixed: >>>>>>>>>>>> LPP-3707 'canvas layouts and debug tag collide' >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Technical Reviewer: hminsky (pending) >>>>>>>>>>>> QA Reviewer: mdavis (pending) >>>>>>>>>>>> Doc Reviewer: jsundman (pending) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Documentation: >>>>>>>>>>>> In DHTML, the debugger appears as a separate HTML frame, >>>>>>>>>>>> rather than >>>>>>>>>>>> in-line in the application. As a consequence the >>>>>>>>>>>> <debug> tag does not >>>>>>>>>>>> actually control the size of the debugger frame. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Release Notes: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Details: >>>>>>>>>>>> DebugCompiler: Ignore the <debug> tag in DHTML >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> debugger/library.lzx: Only for swf >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tests: >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark's test case >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Files: >>>>>>>>>>>> M WEB-INF/lps/server/src/org/openlaszlo/compiler/ >>>>>>>>>>>> DebugCompiler.java >>>>>>>>>>>> M lps/components/debugger/library.lzx >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Changeset: http://svn.openlaszlo.org/openlaszlo/patches/ >>>>>>>>>>>> 20070315-ptw-J.tar >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >
-- Henry Minsky Software Architect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
