Hi, I agree about the importance of keeping on with innovation. When LPS has been released, everybody were impressed about it because it was very innovating. I don't think there is a real choice: you simply cannot do things like 3d transform in swf8. If you don't support it anymore in OL5, people can still use OL4.* if they need swf8 support. Swf8 support in OL4 is quite stable indeed. There's another important question: people which actually develop swf8 apps should have a chance in future to migrate them to swf10. This already happened for the swf9 runtime(conversion scripts and tutorials): I think the same way could be followed for an eventual swf10 runtime.
Quirino 2009/9/8 Sebastian Wagner <[email protected]> > I think folks at laszlo should do whatever fits into their products best. > Best for the project will be if a healthy company standing behind it and > supporting the development. After all a big community is nice but the number > of users who will ever do the step from a user to contributer that adds > significant changes to the core is very little. So in general big > communities are good for getting you a job but a big part of improvements > and contributions are done by the one's that are paid to work at laszlo. > > > > sebastian > > > 2009/9/8 Raju Bitter <[email protected]> > >> Thanks for the feedback, Sebastian! I get your point. The other side of >> the story is, that all the goodies you have with Flash 10 are not integrated >> into OpenLaszlo (3d transform, new text layout engine, drawing API, color >> correction). If there is solid support for the new text layout features >> only, that would really enhance the SWF runtime! >> It comes down to the decision if you want to innovate by adopting new >> features supported in Flash 9/10, or by trying to support an - in my eyes - >> out-dated version of Flash. Flash Player 8 final was released in 2005, >> that's a long time ago! The next big thing for Flash is going to be Flash 10 >> on Android, webOS and Windows Mobile. Should OpenLaszlo try to jump onto >> that train, for the first time making the SWFx runtime an interesting option >> for mobile apps? In the end the Laszlo folks will have to make the decision, >> but I have the feeling that the platform is falling behind other RIA >> technologies innovation-wise. To me OpenLaszlo is only interesting if I see >> that there's enough innovation in the platform. I've shown with a few demos >> what can be done with the DHTML runtime, a bit of HTML 5 or CSS 2/3 support. >> Some of these features could be matched in the SWF runtime with better Flash >> 10 support, and I think that would be a powerful combination. >> >> Other RIA technologies have better tool support, better documentation and >> much larger communities = more paid project work!!! That can be countered by >> having an interesting feature set. I don't want to raise the discussion >> again, but if you look at the response to release announcements and the >> activity in the forums/mailing lists, the community is tiny compared to what >> it was like in 2005/2006. >> >> Again, I'd be happy to hear what other community members think. >> >> - Raju >> >> >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Sebastian Wagner wrote: >> >> I think if you do that a lot of folks have their *old* apps and are forced >> to sit some weeks in their office trying to shift it to AS3, stay with the >> old platform or find another solution. >> >> >> >> sebastian >> >> 2009/9/8 Raju Bitter <[email protected]> >> >>> Hm, no answer? Is that something you don't want to discuss with the >>> community? >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:05 AM, Raju Bitter wrote: >>> >>> Do you still plan to support SWF8 with OL 5.0? I believe that OL needs to >>> shift the focus to DHTML/HTML5 and Flash 10 instead. Flash 8 is just >>> out-dated by now, and I cannot imagine good use for the runtime. According >>> to Adobe, Flash 10 is installed on nearly 87% of Internet-connected desktop >>> computers by now: >>> >>> http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2009/07/welcome-to-the-flash-platform.html >>> >>> The new Flash 10 features are much more interesting for OpenLaszlo than >>> continued SWF8 support, especially things like the improved text engine and >>> 3d functionality. >>> >>> Flash 10 and mobile: Adobe announced a beta version of Flash 10 player >>> for Android, Palm Pre and other phones for October (Max 2009). For some time >>> SFW8 was still an option for Flash Lite 2.1 or 3.0 - although I don't know >>> of any deployed application, but that will change with the release of Flash >>> 10 player for mobile devices. >>> >>> I know that Laszlo still uses SWF8 for Webtop, but it will only be a >>> matter of time until that's not needed any more. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sebastian Wagner >> http://www.webbase-design.de >> http://openmeetings.googlecode.com >> http://www.laszlo-forum.de >> [email protected] >> >> >> > > > -- > Sebastian Wagner > http://www.webbase-design.de > http://openmeetings.googlecode.com > http://www.laszlo-forum.de > [email protected] > -- Quirino Zagarese Italian OpenLaszlo Community - www.laszloitalia.org EU4RIA: Laszlo+Java, easily - eu4ria.googlecode.com
