These are great senarios. Add them to your Oxygen usage page. :) But, we also have people who need to 'get something up now!', have more than 3 systems and don't want to pay for the per user sygate license and have read on the dangers of unprotected Windows ICS or use a newer more expensive system as their gateway. I was able to get the Eigerstein version up in 20 minutes. It was up and working. I simply could not believe it. it was a great feeling. I am an experianced Windows Sys Admin now with some networkfng under the belt. I was not 2 years ago when I started using this I was a struglling Sys Admin. I haven't had as much time as I would like to really play with this stuff, but more time then a lot of my friends and co-workers. 2 real senerios 1st setup, someone comparable in skill set to me, he just doesn't have time to look into this stuff. I helped him get his stuff going and he likes his router. But, he has less time than I do. Now, a year later, he is starting to play with Linux, and he knows it works because he has had no problems with his Eigerstein box which he also hasn't touched beyond looking at the logs. 2nd setup. A new to the industry tech. Does not know routing. Knows desktop stuff. He has a cable modem. Wants to play with web/ftp etc. I helped set him up. He has A LOT of learning to do., While he is playing with learning Web/ftp/mail servers that will help give him a pay boost, he can come back to the router stuff, or learn more detail as he needs to. Both folks know it works, one has the foundation to learn from it, just not the time. The other needs to learn the foundation material, but in the meantime has a fairly protected setup with which to play with. The quick and easy setup allowed this to happen. Both will probably continue to investigate Linux in general as time permits and this results in a win-win solution for Linux in general. They may even graduate to the Oxygen systems flexibility, but hell, I don't even know how to run NMAP yet. Plan on learning shortly. This stuff takes time, and if I can have a working system now, I can graduate to a more flexible toolset later. I like the Eigerstein series. It is a solid workhorse with a decent firewall that allows for fairly easy setup as long as you follow the instructions. -sp -----Original Message----- From: David Douthitt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/15/2001 6:54 AM Subject: [Leaf-devel] Scenarios [Pim had written:] > > Think about it, a 500MB IDE harddrive to install FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Debian > > Linux or whatever else on costs close to nothing. If I wanted a Unix > > machine to do that task, I'd go and build one and wouldn't bother with > > things like LRP. As a 'consumer', I go for LRP because I specifically > > _don't_ want a "flexible, can do anything" solution, but a "stick it in, > > configure it, stop worrying" one. Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > This may be the core difference between David's Oxygen and what I'm trying > to do, and is at least one reason why I think both flavors can flourish (and > likely even build off of each other). Here was the vision I had when I started looking at floppy-based Linux, and thinking of what I could find and how I would modify LRP: Joe Manager comes and says, there's some funny activity on the network in SoSo Department. Can you check it out? So I bring my floppy disks along (three maybe) and head over to an unused PC in SoSo Department, and turn it on. After loading these diskettes into the hopelessly overpowered Pentium 1Ghz with 256M RAM, I start watching the network for problems with tcpdump, nmap, ngrep, etc. ...or... A corporate type is looking for a firewall, but can't justify a Cisco for their 20-employee company. So they pull that 486 out of the closet and get the IT staff (all one of them) to use it for a firewall. ...or... Fred Manager comes and says, My system won't boot anymore... so you trot over there with a single disk in hand, and boot with the floppy using the network to load additional packages. Then using them, you restore the damaged boot sector, and have a happy employee again and back at work. ...or... Mr. Linux Guy (not Guru, just Guy :-) wants a router for his home, so he pulls out the two different 486es he has, makes one a DHCP/BIND server, and the other a dialup router with dialin capabilities and two lines and a VPN.... all the while learning as he goes, and getting very useful knowledge. ...or... Michael Techie WantsToSeeLinux comes to you and says What's Linux Like? So you bring out your floppy, reboot his Windows PC, and show him what you can do with it. Then you bring up vnc on it (for the frame buffer) and show him your Linux desktop on the other side of the network. _______________________________________________ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel _______________________________________________ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
