All right,
Comments inline marked <sp> lots of stuff arbitrarily whacked.
-sp
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I think of LEAF more like the Gnome or KDE projects.
<sp> Taken completely out of context, I suspect we have better
interoperability. :)
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> >Proposing a split? Rather, an idea to increase traffic and potential
> >users back to the place we all call home.
>
> My resistance to the idea directly relates to the amount of time and
> effort that went into gathering everyone under one roof. I'm leery of
> anything that might lead us back to the fragmentation of the past.
That is completely understood. I think the maturity and tolerance of
other ideas are far more accepted with LEAF than were constrained
within the limitations of the past. The fragmentation in the past seemed
to be developers going directions that were not accepted under the
opinion of the person hosting/controlling the "project" site.
<sp> which was the point to form the site to centralize the independent
developers and coordinate knowledge as people patched the base systems
or just plain found 'neat' ways to do things. Though some of the FAQs
are dated, it would be tremendously difficult to replicate the resources
that has developed on this site including the list archives.
<sp> Perhaps the various distro's of LEAF, should be 'distributed'
independently, we still need a root site from which to do this.
From your theory of the project "evolution" model, I would assume
includes by definition that one release would eventually "eat up"
other releases. I don't see this happening per se because of the
different directions that everyone is headed. It would take a set of
standards defining a base that constricts more than one developer
that would lead to this (as discussed at length in other threads).
As directions from different projects head towards the same direction,
some may merge together (or rather join forces for development reasons).
Most won't! The reasoning for this, in my mind, lies in the simple core
target media .... a single floppy disk. This target media will always
promote different ideas and process direction.
<sp> Don't look at the differences. Look at the commonalities.***
<sp> -All distributions target a floppy size distro as BusyBox
<sp> -As a result, as functionality/bug fix is added to busybox
--others are notified and external scripts/functions are stripped
in
--favor of the busybox style method and size reduction.
<sp> -Everyone seems to be aiming for POSIX ness, but different aspects
are
--more important to different folks, so as one fixes one thing
--others works on others and total solutions eventually migrate
into
--all
<sp> -Most packages work on all systems. So if someone updates a
package,
--then users of other distro's benefit
<sp> -The LARGE base of package contributors adds a diversity of ideas
--and improvements not thought of or known by others to the base.
<sp> -I suspect that distro's cross pollination will only continue
<sp> --diverging from LRP even further. The divergence is already wide.
<sp> -kernel's that are updated and the variety of configurations that
are
--drop in replacements for a variety of distro's
<sp> -The mail list where a wide variety of issue's are the same/similar
--solution across distro's.
<sp> -Separate distro's won't eat each other, but perhaps the
specialized versions of some may not be as necessary as functionality is
observed back into the main branch, OR dropped through neglect or a
better solution. The utility focus of distro's can be different with a
similar base.
The maturity, selflessness, and tolerance of the lead developers make
LEAF what it is, including you Mike ..... there are fundamental
differences in you having the power over this site w/o having a release
that has never happened before. Trust among different releases at the
mercy of site admins and their opinions, this doesn't exist anywhere
else. You figure out the reasons for the "glue".
<sp> Mike Noyes as Project Coordinator is a key. I suspect that a lot
of Open Source projects fail for lack of support personnel. Developers
who get along also is key. Others who package or focus on
custom/specific aspects that specialize a distro aids tremendously, the
dialup Dachenstein and the wireless Eigerstein are some examples. Scott
Best has the web site that interprets logfile packet notices.
Do you think that seperating out the releases under different names in
a download mirror would seperate the release from the project?
I doubt it personally.
<sp> I thought there was a releases page with what distro's fell under
the leaf-project.org umbrella? Hmmmm.......
<sp> Perhaps a link to your FAQ explaining the releases should be
included in the Current Releases line. Perhaps a 'Which release should
I use' link. I still linke the testimonial or 'How I use a LEAF distro'
page. I need to write something up as soon as I get setup again.
Would seperating the releases from the site seperate them from the
project? ... yes, I think this would.
<sp> I agree, to many resources would be lost in decentralization.
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