Victor,

I believe you are correct.  After reading the banter going back and
forth, and recalling previous posts (about that DAMN X10 popup) I
reviewed my log.  The log entries are bursts of hundreds in the same few
seconds.  Must have been while I was on MyYahoo.  I remeber getting then
X10 and Casino popups.  Is there anyway we can reverse "SPAM" them to
stop this ridiculus traffic?

Read this:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/cxsr/dd/tech/dd_wp.htm
This and another appliance called BIG/Ip could very well be the source
of this traffic.

Here is another one about an ISP using this technologu...
http://lists.insecure.org/incidents/2001/May/0096.html

And then to close the loop, The above ISP is using the cisco product...
http://lists.insecure.org/incidents/2001/May/0159.html

Nice huh?


Sean

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McAllisteer
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 8:30 PM
To: leaf-user
Subject: Re: [Leaf-user] What is This


Matthew Schalit wrote:

> Victor McAllisteer wrote:
> >
>
> > This is some crazy method of geographic load balancing.  A whole lot
of
> > boxes use TCP port 53 simultaneously to find out what part of the
world.
>
> Victor, wouldn't the load balancing we've seen over the
> last months that hits port 53 by SYN traffic?  Why
> are all his log entries refering to non-SYN traffic,
> i.e. responses?
>
> Matthew

There was a lot of list traffic back in May on the LRP list concerning
these
port 53 weirdness.  My understanding is that tcp port 53 to port 53 is
usually
a zone transfer.  Leaf boxes running tiny DNS will not respond to tcp
queries.


I believe a number of list members analyzed this stuff using resources
beyond
just the log entries.  It comes all at once from many different IPs.

The same IPs always show up repeatedly in the space of a few seconds..

They fill the logs - often with 600 DENYs in a period of 10 seconds or
less.

Someone traced the ownership of the machines.  Apparently it is some
sort of
proprietary method of determining which machine you are closest to
geographically so they can serve up some pop up ad efficiently (for
them).

DENY (no response) doesn't seem to prevent the pop up ads.  Perhaps if
they
can't get you to send them back a packet, they end up serving the pop up
from
some default machine.  Those who pay for this "technology" should have
their
head examined.



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