Well, here's what I've got so far -- I didn't get any sleep last night
and need to go fix that, but here's a few questions and assumptions:

SYN 192.168.10.3:2727 -> eth1[BOX3]eth2 -> eth1[BOX1]ppp0
NAT:62.234.0.234.61706 -> www.monkeynoodle.org:80

packet goes into BOX3
06:34:16.517303 192.168.10.3.2727 > 66.1.155.123.80: S
1254467949:1254467949(0) win 16384 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)
packet comes out of BOX3
06:34:16.517089 192.168.10.3.2727 > 66.1.155.123.80: S
1254467949:1254467949(0) win 16384 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)
packet goes into BOX1 and gets NAT'd
ASSUMPTION -- BOX1's clock is 15 seconds fast.
packet comes out of BOX1
06:34:31.223667 62.234.0.234.61706 > 66.1.155.123.80: S
1254467949:1254467949(0) win 16384 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)

2/10ths of a second later...
192.168.10.3:2727 <- eth1[BOX3]eth2 <- eth1[BOX1]ppp0
NAT:62.234.0.234.61706 <- www.monkeynoodle.org:80 ACK

packet goes into BOX1 and gets NAT'd
06:34:31.443667 66.1.155.123.80 > 62.234.0.234.61706: S
3199824407:3199824407(0) ack 1254467950 win 5840 <mss
1412,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)
the BOX3-eth2 trace never shows packets coming back from the Internet,
only leaving.
ASSUMPTION: packet goes into BOX3
packet comes out of BOX3
06:34:16.747496 66.1.155.123.80 > 192.168.10.3.2727: S
3199824407:3199824407(0) ack 1254467950 win 5840 <mss
1412,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)

I'll finish up tomorrow night, but BOX3 ETH2 is a place to start
looking.
Jack


On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Reginald R. Richardson wrote:

> Ok Jack, talk to me know, have some info for you...i think we going to get it talk 
>now, i think i see the problem, but
> the solution, i need you helping minds again...
>
> Attached you'll find tcpdump files of what's happening with these Routers overhere 
>in Europe..
>
> My understanding of the DUMP, is not up to par, but according to me this is what i 
>see and assumed, but as always, u can
> correct if i'm wrong..
>
> Workstation 192.168.10.3 is sending his HTTP (80) traffic to his default router Box3 
>(eth1) 192.168.10.254, and i can
> clearly see him forward it according the the CABLE rule (fwmark2) to Box1 (eth), so 
>no problem there, after that short
> journey, i see Box1 (eth1) forwards it to the Internet via ppp0, so everybody happy 
>there.......
>
> No the Internet "www.monkeynoodle.org" kindly accepts this request, and for some 
>reason or the other, decides to answer
> to this poor request coming from europe......as i check again, i can see PPP0 
>telling www.monkeynoodle.org, yes, yes..i
> sent u a request...so gimme my  reply, and he kindly answers that reply, and 
>forwards it to his next door neighbour
> (box1 eth1), no he feels good, that he gets his reply back, and being a good guy, he 
>sends it back down the chain to
> BOX3 eth2,
> No box2 see this Port 80 packet coming in LOUD and clear...and kindly answers it 
>with joy, to forward it back to the
> poor Workstation, that's waiting in vain for a reply, but eth2  has to send it via 
>his neighbour, which is BOX3 eth1,
> which i can clearly see him doing.....
>
> But wait just one sec there..(Houston, i think we have a problem), yep....eth1 is 
>either refusing to answer, or he's
> just not seeing this Port80 packet coming to him from eth1  ...TIMEOUT...RAIN 
>CHECK.....
>
> Now were here wondering WHAT the hell went wrong, is that, eth1 is angry with his 
>neighbour eth2 and refuse to answer,
> or is it that he don't know the way back to send the packet back to the poor 
>workstation (192.168.10.3).
>
> Now, help us (me, myself and I) out there, what is missing here...well i think you 
>read my entire ip routes and ip
> tables etc, so u have enough info to see whaz wrong, if any more info is  needed 
>please let me know and i'll send it
> live and direct to you...
>
> attached u'll find tcpdumps, and somekind of ASCII netdiagram  of HomeNet in 
>Europe....struggling to offer Mommy, Daddy
> and kids a descent internet connection..
>
> BTW:i was looking at leaf for the ipcheck, but ain't find it...do u have a link for 
>me...
> thnks for the help so far..
>
> I think we going to get it work now.....but this is PHASE I, Phase II to follow, 
>that is PORT FORWARDING, had some
> problems with it, but will check it out again, after we have this running like a 
>TRAIN
>
> Once again, thanks for your help and your ENERGY.....
> I think i'll get this one working, i'm seeing the LIGHT, better than when i was 
>trying it with 1BOX, and two, external
> interfaces...
>
> I HAVE A DREAM/HOPE, that it gonna work..
>
> cheers
> Reggie
>
>
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:35:55 -0800 (PST), Jack Coates wrote:
> >On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Reginald R. Richardson wrote:
> >
> >>�Jack../Charles
> >>
> >>�we starting to see some light, but i guess that the lack of some
> >>Linux Firewall
> >>�knowledge holding us back over here...
> >>�but here's what..
> >>
> >>
> >>�On my BOX3 Non NAT/Firewall Box
> >>�if i add a default route on this box, via the CABLE Router (Box1),
> >>then all
> >>�HTTP traffic goes out to the internet without a problem, and also,
> >>all the
> >>�other traffic that has to go to the internet via Box2, goes to
> >>Box2, so here i
> >>�can see that Box3, is sending the traffic to the correct InterNet
> >>Router, so in
> >>�other words, he's a very nice Traffic Police, he's routing as
> >>COMMANDED too..
> >>
> >>�For some reason, i can't figure out, why the return traffic is not
> >>going back
> >>�to the workstation without any problem..
> >>
> >
> >To figure this out you need to use tcpdump; it's probably getting
> >lost
> >between box1 or 2 and box3.
> >
> >>�but what i found strange, is that from the moment i say the the
> >>default gateway
> >>�is box 1 eg.
> >>
> >>�"ip route add 0/0 via 192.168.1.6" (box1), then i have no problem
> >>internet
> >>�traffic proceeds, but from the moment i removed this route, no
> >>more internet...
> >>
> >>�to the little knowledge i have, i don't believe that BOX3 should
> >>have an
> >>�default route, because i assume that the LOOKUP table is supposed
> >>to tell him
> >>�where to send the data for the specific Traffice Type. (correct me
> >>if i'm
> >>�wrong)
> >>
> >
> >Maybe... a default route could be helpful if you get everything else
> >configured right.
> >
> >>�On Box1 and Box2, is the normal settings that came by
> >>default..with Dachsten
> >>�onliest changes i have in those boxes is a static route back to the
> >>�192.168.10.0 network, and i commented out the ipchains commands
> >>that block
> >>�traffic to the 10.0.0.0 network on Box2 (see below)
> >>
> >>�Box1 (Cable)
> >>�#ip route
> >>�62.234.0.1 dev ppp0 �proto kernel �scope link �src 62.234.0.234
> >>�192.168.1.4/30 dev eth1 �proto kernel �scope link �src 192.168.1.6
> >>�192.168.10.0/24 via 192.168.1.5 dev eth1
> >>�default via 62.234.0.1 dev ppp0
> >>
> >>�#ip addr sh
> >>�7: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP>�mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen
> >>100
> >>���link/ether 00:10:4b:bb:c8:25 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >>�8: eth1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,PROMISC,UP>�mtu 1500 qdisc
> >>pfifo_fast qlen 100
> >>���link/ether 00:c0:f0:12:f1:c8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >>���inet 192.168.1.6/30 brd 192.168.1.7 scope global eth1
> >>
> >>�Box2 (Adsl)
> >>�#ip route
> >>�192.168.1.0/30 dev eth1 �proto kernel �scope link �src 192.168.1.2
> >>�10.0.0.0/24 dev eth0 �proto kernel �scope link �src 10.0.0.100
> >>�192.168.10.0/24 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth1
> >>�default via 10.0.0.138 dev eth0
> >>
> >>�#ip addr sh
> >>�7: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP>�mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen
> >>100
> >>���link/ether 08:00:00:22:20:34 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >>���inet 10.0.0.100/24 brd 10.0.0.255 scope global eth0
> >>�8: eth1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,PROMISC,UP>�mtu 1500 qdisc
> >>pfifo_fast qlen 100
> >>���link/ether 00:40:05:27:cb:9a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >>
> >>�This is a little tricky one, cause my ADSL provider Network
> >>requires us to
> >>�create a VPN connection between my router and the ADSL MODEM, so
> >>therefore the
> >>�default route is the ADSL Modem 10.0.0.138 (before u asked, i
> >>commented out the
> >>�IPCHAINS rules in this router that block the RFC ip's of 10.0.0.0)
> >>
> >>�>From this router i can ping the internet without any problem, so
> >>therefore i
> >>�have internet connectivity.
> >>
> >>�Here is what i have on Box3
> >>�#ip addr sh
> >>�7: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP>�mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen
> >>100
> >>���link/ether 00:10:4b:bb:c8:25 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >>�8: eth1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,PROMISC,UP>�mtu 1500 qdisc
> >>pfifo_fast qlen 100
> >>���link/ether 00:c0:f0:12:f1:c8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >>���inet 192.168.1.6/30 brd 192.168.1.7 scope global eth1
> >>
> >>
> >>�# ip ru ls
> >>�0: � � �from all lookup local
> >>�32764: �from all fwmark � � � �1 lookup adsl
> >>�32765: �from all fwmark � � � �2 lookup cable
> >>�32766: �from all lookup main
> >>�32767: �from all lookup default
> >>
> >>
> >>�# ipchains
> >>�Chain input (policy ACCEPT: 100740 packets, 8739050 bytes):
> >>�prot opt � �tosa tosx �ifname � mark �outsize source destination
> >>��ports
> >>�tcp �------ 0xFF 0x00 �* � � 0x2 � �192.168.10.0/24 �0.0.0.0/0 � �*
> >>�->� �80
> >>�udp �------ 0xFF 0x00 �* � � 0x2 � �192.168.10.0/24 �0.0.0.0/0 � �*
> >>�->� �80
> >>�udp �------ 0xFF 0x00 �* � � 0x2 � �192.168.10.0/24 �0.0.0.0/0 � �*
> >>�->� �443
> >>�tcp �------ 0xFF 0x00 �* � � 0x2 � �192.168.10.0/24 �0.0.0.0/0 � �*
> >>�->� �443
> >>�tcp �------ 0xFF 0x00 �* � � 0x2 � �192.168.10.0/24 �0.0.0.0/0 � �*
> >>�->� �110
> >>�tcp �------ 0xFF 0x00 �* � � 0x2 � �192.168.10.0/24 �0.0.0.0/0 � �*
> >>�->� �25
> >>�tcp �------ 0xFF 0x00 �* � � 0x1 � �192.168.10.0/24 �0.0.0.0/0 � �*
> >>�->� �1214
> >>�Chain forward (policy ACCEPT: 75921 packets, 6589166 bytes):
> >>�Chain output (policy ACCEPT: 95403 packets, 8331173 bytes):
> >>
> >>�# ip ro ls table cable
> >>�default via 192.168.1.6 dev eth2
> >>
> >>�# ip rou ls table adsl
> >>�default via 192.168.1.2 dev eth0
> >>
> >>�# ip route
> >>�192.168.1.0/30 dev eth0 �proto kernel �scope link �src 192.168.1.1
> >>�192.168.1.4/30 dev eth2 �proto kernel �scope link �src 192.168.1.5
> >>�192.168.10.0/24 dev eth1 �proto kernel �scope link �src
> >>192.168.10.254
> >>
> >
> >Looks alright from a cursory glance, tcpdump is the only way to tell
> >if
> >it's really working like you expect.
> >
> >>
> >>�Jack,
> >>�What did u mean with this comment, don't under what u mean with
> >>"tc"
> >>�"Make sure you have proper tc rules for _both_ directions"
> >>
> >
> >Sorry, I meant fwmark rules; tc is a tool from the same iproute2
> >suite
> >used for QoS.
> >
> >>�Do hope i have provided enough information, so that i can get
> >>these babies talk
> >>�to me, and do what they should do.
> >>
> >>�Can some one give me a tip, on what i can do to tell BOX3 that if
> >>he routes
> >>�HTTP traffic to BOX1, and there is no reply, then he should send
> >>it to Box2
> >>
> >
> >First concentrate on getting fwmark to work, then worry about
> >failover
> >:-) To do this you'll just find the ipcheck script from the LEAF site
> >and modify it to your needs.
> >
> >>�thnks alot
> >>
> >>�On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:26:44 -0800 (PST), Jack Coates wrote:
> >>�>Been there done that :-) Make sure you have proper tc rules for
> >>�>_both_
> >>�>directions, and try tcpdump on all three boxes. Not sure if you
> >>�>already
> >>�>knew this, but tcpdump has a ton of command line options to make
> >>it
> >>�>just
> >>�>show the packets you're looking for. Also double-check your NAT
> >>and
> >>�>the
> >>�>routing on box 1 and 2. I suspect something like this is
> >>happening to
> >>�>you:
> >>�>
> >>�>z.z.z.z:1024 SYN ->�box3 ->�box1(NATSRC=x.x.x.x:4001) ->
> >>a.a.a.a:80
> >>�>
> >>�>z.z.z.z:1024 � � � �box3 <ACK loops back to>�box1 � � <-
> >>a.a.a.a:80
> >>�>
> >>�>So on each box get two consoles (one for eth0 and one for eth1),
> >>�>then do
> >>�>a:
> >>�>tcpdump -i eth[0|1] -n port 80 and host 66.1.155.123
> >>�>
> >>�>and then go to your client workstation and browse to
> >>�>www.monkeynoodle.org. The tcpdump output should make it very clear
> >>�>what
> >>�>happened.
> >>�>
> >>�>Good luck!
> >>�>Jack
> >>�>
> >>�>On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Reginald R. Richardson wrote:
> >>�>
> >>�>>�Me again..
> >>�>>
> >>�>>�We getting there, with this 3 router box...
> >>�>>
> >>�>>�Question:
> >>�>>�I reach so far as having Router3 sending the HTTP traffic to the
> >>�>>correct
> >>�>>�router, the SMTP traffic to the correct box also, as i use my
> >>�>>TCPDUMP on my BOX
> >>�>>�connecected to the Internet, i can see the HTTP traffic being
> >>�>>transmitted to
> >>�>>�the internet, but my problem is it's not being return to the
> >>�>>requesting
> >>�>>�workstation.
> >>�>>
> >>�>>�this is what my HTTP lookup table looks like
> >>�>>�ip rout ls table http
> >>�>>�default dev eth2 �scope link
> >>�>>
> >>�>>�I must say, that if i clear this table, and let BOX3, with a
> >>�>>DEFAULT GW to the
> >>�>>�internet via BOX1 or BOX2, then the Workstation can connect to
> >>the
> >>�>>net without
> >>�>>�any problems.
> >>�>>
> >>�>>�I don't have the slightest idea now where i should look
> >>�>>
> >>�>>�thnks
> >>�>>
> >>�>>�On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:14:37 -0600, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
> >>�>>�>Everything seems to be moving like a charm, not getting the IP
> >>�>>ROUTE
> >>�>>�>per TCP
> >>�>>�>Port talking to healthy, but still working on it..
> >>�>>�>
> >>�>>�>question.
> >>�>>�>U mentioned why not use "equal-weight routing", i checked at
> >>�>>googles
> >>�>>�>to get
> >>�>>�>more info about this, it seems a nice way to go...but can u
> >>guide
> >>�>>me
> >>�>>�>to a
> >>�>>�>weblink where i can find more info on how to implement this on
> >>my
> >>�>>�>Box3,
> >>�>>�>
> >>�>>�>CS>�Start with the Advanced Routing HOWTO, from linuxdoc.org or
> >>�>>�>similar...if
> >>�>>�>you get your port-based routing tables setup, you'll be over
> >>most
> >>�>>of
> >>�>>�>the
> >>�>>�>hurdles...
> >>�>>�>
> >>�>>�>CS>� Keep us all posted on your progress...if you get this
> >>�>>working,
> >>�>>�>it's the
> >>�>>�>first step to doing the same thing cleanly with a single box.
> >>�>>�>
> >>�>>�>Charles Steinkuehler
> >>�>>�>http://lrp.steinkuehler.net
> >>�>>�>http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror)
> >>�>>�>
> >>�>>�>
> >>�>>
> >>�>>
> >>�>>
> >>�>>
> >>�>>�-------------------------------------------------------------
> >>�>>�Reginald R. Richardson
> >>�>>�[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 1/26/2002
> >>�>>
> >>�>>
> >>�>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>�-------------------------------------------------------------
> >>�Reginald R. Richardson
> >>�[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 1/26/2002
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> �
> �
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 1/28/2002
>

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