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> Matt Schalit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/01/2002 06:09:47 PM
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> To:   Phillip Watts/austin/Nlynx@Nlynx
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> Subject:  Re: [Leaf-user] Flash Write Protect
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>   I thought PC-Cards could be hot swapped.  I haven't messed
> with them in Linux yet, though.  I thought the same was true
> for CF chips.  Is this not incorrect?
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>     SanDisk Compact Flash(postage stamp size) is an IDE
>      emulation not a PC-CARd though the original flash cards
>        were PCMCIA form factor.  IDE is not hot swapable.

Ok. :)  Though I thought the card services and socket
buffered these changes for the OS, I'll take your
word for it :)

>       But I am told you can use them on USB somehow
>       and they become hot swappable??
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>    Anything software is not the holy grail because it can
> be circumvented with time and skill.  Or so goes the
> argument.
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>       True, but neither are burglar alarms and dead bolts.
>       But everything you do reduces the size of the population
>      who are intruder candidates.
>      I was just fantisizing maybe a really cool way to make
>      disk access damn hard.
>      For instance, just renaming and relocating mount would
>      help a tiny bit.


   I agree completely.



>    I don't quite understand what you're suggestion would be
> from that one paragraph.  If you're referring to using the
> IOW and IOR strobes, that's what I'm claiming isn't possible.
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>          I Know nothing about IDE and little about electronics.
>      Having said that, if you kill the whole cable with a switch,
>      you are write protected.  


   Interesting.  That struck me as a good idea, until I thought
about it over some coffee.  The equivalent would be to yank the
cable out of the back of you hard drive, which I think we can
agree doesn't work well :)  The controller's on the hard drive
and the OS would be confused.



>      IF you are running from ramdisk,
>      you don't need the drive after you see login.
>      I am curious if an IDE guru could kill the cable and electrically
>      fool the bus into thinking it still has a drive.  ????

   Yes that's possible but cost prohibative to build a
controller to do so.   Though this has me wondering now
if it's possible to deploy two flash storage devices in
the same computer on an A/B switch, one the real module,
the other a "placeholder."  So instead of killing the cable,
one might switch to the other module.   Sounds tricky.
Certainly doing an A/B on 40 pins would be an exercise.
That'll require at least two cups of coffee.



>      Haven't a clue but that would be cool.
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> By the way, I run all my routers and thin clients from Compact Flash.
> A LOT faster than floppy and no moving parts.
> 16MB SanDisk can be found on the internet for as little as $8.

Wow.  Looks like I have some shopping to do.
Thanks for the info.
Matt




> I bought one in Office Depot the other day for $12, normally $22.
> Within a year you will only be able to find the 32MB.
> Occasionaly we get a bad one.  My boss takes it home and
> formats it with his digital camera software and its okay.
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> The caveats:
>    Only about a million writes therefore no logging.
>           We mail our logs with Python  smtplib.
>    Some BIOS's don't like them.
>    Not hot swappable.
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