>
>From: HENRY PSENICKA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re:[leaf-user] Wireless and LAN bridge/hub?
>Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 13:06:27 -0400
>
>Greg
>
>Before you take the leap into wireless, do your homework to make sure you
>want to go down that path.  You may be challenged by a number of issues, and
>it can get expensive to deal with some of them ( antennas, security, etc..)

Money isn't that big a problem in this case. We won't be needing much 
hardware,
and we've allocated a few grand for this to be done.

>With that general caveat,  my comments are inline with yours
>
>DATE: 05/05/2002 09:40:35SUBJECT:  [leaf-user] Wireless and LAN bridge/hub?
>
> >I've got a mainly Windows network set up (non-NT and
> >non-2k or XP...all 9x. They're fairly stable.) However,
> >there's two groups, and they're on different ends of the
> >building.
>
>The type of network client is not too significant to this problem but the
>building layout and relative distances are critical.  Please provide more
>details about distance, obstacles, type of building construction, etc..

Straight line distance isn't a problem. It's about 10 metres. However, to run
a wire would take over 50 metres and drilling holes has been rules out.
It's basically simply separated by a wall. I don't think communcations will be
disrupted.

> >Both have their own hub/switch. (currently they're
> >switches, but I can change them to hubs, if for some reason,
> >that must be done for this to work.)
>
>The type of network device should have no impact on this.
>
>
> >The two groups need to be able to talk to each other, but running
> >a wire isn't an option due to various reasons, including aesthetic reasons.
> >We have therefore decided to create a wireless link between them.
>
>How fast does the link need to be to meet your requirements?

It doesn't need to be extremely fast, but obviously the faster the better. Most
traffic is within each group on the switches. However, requests for colour 
printouts
will need to traverse the wireless. (Currently, we use a CDRW and/or floppies,
which is no doubt a less than ideal solution.) We also share files, but as 
stated,
most traffic is on the local switch.

>Are you simply
>trying to share an internet connection, or are there two network workgroups
>that need to interact?

No, they are all one workgroup.
And yes, currently one has access to the internet and the other doesn't.
However, it isn't essential that they one without gets access to the 
internet. It might
be worth mentioning that access to the internet is provided through Coyote 
Linux.

>f the distances are more than 100 feet, and/or
>there is any significant structure in between, wireless could become tricky
>to implement.  Steel structures would be particularly difficult.  If
>possible, borrow some wireless gear to test whether you can establish a link
>before comitting to a costly purchase.

Good idea...Now I just need to find someone first. :-)

> >I think I am correct in thinking that buying 2 Wireless Access Points
> >(one for each hub/switch) is not only expensive, but would not achieve
> >my goal. So I plan to buy 1 wireless access point, and 1 wireless
> >PCI card. Access point goes into uplink on one hub/switch, and on the other
> >end, I plan to have a LRP box that has the wireless card installed, with a
> >normal wire LAN card. I hope to run a LEAF distro on this box, and all it
> >would do is shunt all data fro eth0 to eth1 to the hub/switch, and from
>eth1
> >to eth0 (which then goes to the access point which will take care of the
>rest.)
>
>You can use a "peer-to-peer" style wireless link directly between 2 LEAF
>devices, and avoid the access point entirely.

Would this be bridging or would this be routing?
I thought IEEE 802.11b always needed an access point. (We've practically
decided to get IEEE802.11b, and not a peer to peer. We do need the 11Mbps.)

The access point also lets us implement a wireless LAN later on as well.
However, if there are peer to peer wireless cards that support 11Mbps, they 
would be
ideal. Can anyone confirm or deny the existence of these cards?

>Bridging vs. routing could be
>an obstacle.  My impression is that bridging support in LEAF distros is
>kludgy, but i'm sure others on this list can speak to that issue.  If you
>have to actually route traffic, it will complicate your life as far as
>Windows network browsing is concerned.

I don't know the answer to that...
I guess my networking knowledge is a bit limited.

Basically, I want it to work just like having a wire running between the 
two switches,
except a 11Mbps wireless link.

>Bering RC2 provides good support for PCMCIA and wireless devices, and I
>suggest you look at Bering as a starting point.  I know it works... we are
>using it with Lucent/Avaya/Agere Orinoco wireless PCMCIA NICs.
>
>Selection of your wireless hardware will also be critical... not everything
>works as you might expect.  Do your homework carefully (I can't stress that
>enough!!)
>
>Also, don't overlook the security issues... WEP is better than nothing, but
>it is not secure!  You may require a VPN if your data is sensitive, and this
>will increase the processing requirements of your LEAF gateway.
>
>There are several good resources for information on wireless devices and
>linux, here is a good place to start:
>
>http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wireless.html
>
>Good Luck!
>
>Henry

Thanks for the comments. Much appreciated.

Greg


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