why not template the email output?
that way it would be possible to make it either plain-text or HTML or 
some other format that pleases the person running the system.

While we are talking about it I would love to be able to add attachments 
to email messages going out.
Even better still would be attachments to invoices.
We send out a lot of invoices with backup documentation.
It would be nice to be able to keep our backup documentation with the 
invoices.

On 01/31/2010 06:39 AM, David wrote:
> My $.02:
>
> Plain text is always acceptable to read  - bad HTML is hard to read.
> HTML is useful for impressing people - are you the sort of person who is
> impressed by formatting?
> Plain text works for code - HTML often mangles code
>
> David.
>
> Stroller wrote:
>    
>> On 31 Jan 2010, at 00:46, David Godfrey wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> ...
>>> and long before I sent an email on the list I had noticed that many
>>> contributors also sent in HTML.
>>>
>>>        
>> My belief was that the practice of sending HTML messages to this list
>> was established only amongst newcomers, who come here looking for help
>> &  who don't know any better.
>>
>>
>>      
>>> One problem with plain text and modern clients, is that text is
>>> wrapped at the senders end.
>>> Normally to something like 72characters.
>>> This is a huge waste of screen space where you may easily have 160
>>> to 300 or more characters available on a modern screen.
>>>
>>>        
>> Addressed elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>      
>>> HTML also allows simple formatting changes (like this) that can
>>> often assist with readability.
>>>
>>>        
>> It does so, only if your view and and mine *happen* to coincide on
>> what constitutes "readability".
>>
>> It is sophisticated&  adult of you to choose black text as your
>> display preference, as many people composing in HTML choose colours
>> such as blue, green or pink.
>>
>> However your text size is too small.
>>
>> I have 1600x1200 monitors, each with a diagonal of c 20". I don't know
>> what size or resolution your monitor(s) is, and I don't care, just as
>> you shouldn't need to know the specifications of mine. When I
>> configured my mail client preferences some years ago, I spent some
>> minutes choosing the optimal font for viewing. It says "13 points" in
>> my display preferences, but it would probably appear a different size
>> on your screen; that doesn't matter - it's just best for me on my
>> monitors, considering my operating system, viewing distance, screen
>> resolution and optical prescription.
>>
>> When you send me HTML email, you're saying "I don't care what text
>> size you find most readable, I'm setting this one instead". The font
>> of your last email was a few points too small and it's a little
>> difficult for me to read.
>>
>> Additionally, if we all continue to post and reply in HTML, then I
>> can't copy a sentence of your message into mine and quote it, (like
>> this: "The sentence before last was all one line") without either it
>> ending up in a different format to the rest of the sentence. I then
>> have to manually&  arduously change the font, font size, and colour of
>> the pasting to match the rest of my text. This should not be
>> necessary, if we all just post in plain text.
>>
>> I do rather feel that those of us who believe in open-source and open-
>> standards missed an opportunity when HTML first became adopted by
>> mainstream email clients. I believe this was initiated by Netscape
>> Communicator in the mid- to late-1990s, and geeks simply objected to
>> it and said "don't use that around here". Of course the mainstream
>> didn't listen to the geeks, and an HTML email non-standard was since
>> been made up on an ad-hoc basis over the following decade. I was a
>> newcomer to computers myself in 1996, and didn't use OSS for another 3
>> or 4 years, but I can only think that *maybe* someone would have been
>> successful if they had vigourously proposed an alternative before it
>> was too late.
>>
>> Email would benefit from the ability to designate text clearly as
>> bold, italic or underlined, to include inline hyperlinks, to designate
>> perhaps a word or a sentence or two as "emphasised" in some way that
>> would normally be displayed to the reader as red or blue. But it needs
>> this without allowing whole emails to be composed in glaring pink, or
>> allowing the sender to specify a font size which distracts or inhibits
>> readability (or indeed ANY font or size).
>>
>> I have a client who employed a graphic designer to create fancy HTML
>> "stationary" for his company emails. They include a number of logos
>> (sent as jpeg images, of course) and as a consequence a one-sentence
>> email, in which there are only a few hundred bytes of text, arrives
>> consuming 100kb in my email box. This aspect of the client's messages
>> is annoying, but overall the most critical problem is the imposition
>> of font&  its size upon the reader, IMO.
>>
>> If you post in plain-text, no-one will think less of you for it, and
>> no-one will filter your messages to /dev/null on the basis of that.
>> The same cannot be said for posting in HTML.
>>
>> Also: please try to post your messages as a general rule only to *one*
>> list at a time. Surely everyone on -dev already reads -users?
>>
>> Stroller.
>>
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