Irrespective of going to games or not, I can't imagine anyone in the list is 
pro Bates? Wash your mouth out! :-> 

I've not been to ER for years due to living in different climes, but the man is 
about as transparent as a bag of ***t and it is this lack of transparency that 
is poisoning everything leaving every word he utters (and now to a lesser 
extent SG) as infuriating and provocative.

I genuinely admire the massive dedication the ST holders amongst you have in 
forking out that MASSIVE amount of money for previously what was 3rd and now 
2nd tier footy. Unless I lived in Leeds city itself, I don't know how all of 
you do it - but it still doesn't make KB more likeable. 

Rather I would say the divergence amongst the listers is if the club should be 
run as

- a viable footballing concern: if not profitable as a business at least not a 
non-money losing operation with football being the (massively) primary focus 
i.e. players.

- going "beyond football": profits are NOT exclusively for the football side, 
are used to develop and "diversify" the income streams of the club (conference 
areas, boxes) and not all profits are used automatically on players due to 
owner's whim, and as is his wont given he is the owner. Allegedly. 

Please be gentle with the flaming responses... ;->

BMW

PS I'm still 100% with Rich Walker on Becchio. :->


-----Original Message-----
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of DAVID NATTAN
Sent: martes, 24 de enero de 2012 12:28
To: list leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] January


YesNo problem with the number of points gained in January BUT you have to 
factor in that we were 1 0 down in each of the 3 games whilst it was 11 v 11. 
We only actually got any goals (and won any points) when the opposition were 
down to ten men.In each of the 3 games the dismissal came early on and in none 
of them was the red card given for preventing a goal by us - Ipswich would have 
been on own goal if anything- 
I have said after both the home games that the fact that we scored so late on 
does show a commitment from the players and a belief in the manager.
It appears there is a bit of a split on the list - those who reckon we are 
doing well and are pro Bates are those who for the most part do not tend to go 
to games, whereas those of us who are more downbeat and pessimistic are those 
who go to ER. (with obvious exceptions Dr Mike and his MS and anti Grayson 
stuff)
A bit like the Becchio situation - those of us who watch him regularly know 
that he is very limited (but has been effective) whilst those who only see the 
goals on TV, read the scores think he is great.
This is NOT a 'real fan' argument or in any way meant as a slight on those of 
you who do not go to games for whatever reason
Dave
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