Yours is the curate's question, sort of good in parts. The bit that makes me wonder is how did Hockaday be in a position to get the job in the first place? Did he write in on spec? Was he head-hunted? Is he somebody's mate?
Results will tell us if he just got on the end of the wrong queue when he needed a pee during the stadium tour....... Damian On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Question: would you have recruited the hock? > > If yes, why? If no, why not? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 19 Jul 2014, at 0:58, "Phill Shields" <phillshie...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Cellino ran a small club with average gates of 5k for 22 years and 17 of > them were in Seria A. Fact that is a success. > > > > McCormack looked for any excuse to jump ship and if he hadn't I would > still have ripped Fulham hands off for £11m. > > > > You are focusing on Hockaday's last job so why am I the straw clutching? > > > > I am not bothered about changing your mind. For now I'll support until I > have reason not to. > > > > MOT > > > > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Ian Murray > > Date:18/07/2014 17:04 (GMT+00:00) > > To: Phill Shields > > Cc: nat...@sky.com,leeds list > > Subject: Re: [LU] Cellino > > > > The Dawn you see is a nuclear explosion. > > > > Clutching at straws with the Hockaday PL coach thing mate. The thing is > you know that too. > > > > McCormack handing a transfer request? Hmmm couldn't be due to the fact > that we are an absolute shambles or anything…could it? > > > > Christ we all want Leeds to do well. But we won't like this it's so > bloody obvious. We shouldn't put up with this shit. > > > > Recognising this for what it is - a sick joke - does not make those of > us who are anti Cellino and Hockaday non Leeds. > > > > It's our club and we should make our opinions unequivocally known. > > > > The Cagliari fans didn't love Cellino - they are very regional people > (especially on Cagliari), and supported him because it was billed as > Sardinia v Italy. I should know, my ex was (is) Sardinian. > > > > MOT > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 18 Jul 2014, at 23:49, "Phill Shields" <phillshie...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> McCormack put in a transfer request. None of us wanted him to go but he > got more than double what he is worth. > >> > >> When has Cellini fleeced the fans? He was very popular with Calgary > fans which is pretty unique in that country. > >> > >> We all have reservations about Hockaday but he does have PL experience > as a coach which is what he is employed as. > >> > >> I am hoping his is a new dawn. > >> MOT > >> > >> On Jul 18, 2014 4:08 PM, Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> I applaud the optimism mate but McCormack kept us up pretty much single > handedly last year. McD did lose the plot and I would have optimism if we > had recruited somebody of repute and didn't have a lunatic convicted > criminal pulling the strings. > >> > >> People say it's an unknown? That's bollocks. We know what we are > getting with Hockaday. A former 3rd rate player and failed non-league > manager. > >> > >> We know what we are getting with Cellino - a crook who has a track > record of enriching himself at the expense of the club and taking the piss > out of fans' loyalty. > >> > >> What have we seen, in terms of action, that suggests this is anything > other than a car crash? > >> > >> I would love to be wrong - but I'm not. > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On 18 Jul 2014, at 22:56, "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > I don't really get all the negativity - if you look at last seasons > team - which stayed up with no real concerns the only player who has left > of all those with the highest appearances is McCormack > >> > Kenny is also likely to be on his way / not getting a game > >> > Last years first XI based on appearances would look like this > >> > Kenny > >> > Byram, Lees, Pearce, Warnock > >> > Murphy, Mowatt, Austin, Tonge > >> > McCormack, Smith > >> > > >> > Kenny has been replaced by a highly rated 23 year old. > >> > Of the others it is reasonable to expect Byram, to be a lot better > than he was last year, Murphy, Mowatt and Smith should also benefit from > their experiences of last year. Pearce and Lees should be of the same > standard. Warnock / Tonge may get slightly worse due to age catching up > with them a bit. > >> > > >> > So the addition of the two buys so far Bianchi and Doukara - if no > better than what we have presumably will not play and therefore will make > no difference -but if they are better than what we have then they must > improve the team - that seems logical to me. > >> > > >> > So it all depends on whether we can replace Ross - I doubt he would / > will have as good a season next time as he did last year - and at present > his replacement is Morison , someone who excited many when he signed last > year (especially the Becchio haters) but due to injury etc never really got > going. > >> > > >> > As far as managing goes, a number felt from the word go that > McDermott did not have a clue, even those of us who supported him at the > start felt that he had 'lost it' by the end of the season, so even if > Hockaday is useless he is no worse than McDermott, Warnock, Grayson, > McAllister etc all of whom listers were happy / glad / content to see leave. > >> > > >> > Yes Hock is a big gamble but one we know nothing about, so given that > 9 of the team who kept us up comfortably enough, and who even threatened > the play offs at some point are still here, the only 'relegation-worry' I > can possibly see is losing Ross and not replacing him with either a system > or another forward who can ensure the same amount of goals > >> > > >> > As others have said, we are going into the unknown with Hockaday and > the foreign imports but lets wait and see before we all claim we are bound > to be relegated and go slitting our wrists -the reality does not seem that > bad > >> > > >> > Dave > >> > > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Leedslist mailing list > >> > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >> > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > >> > > >> > John 'Grampa' Sykes > >> > Rest In Peace old lad > >> > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > >> > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leedslist mailing list > >> Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > >> > >> John 'Grampa' Sykes > >> Rest In Peace old lad > >> 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > John 'Grampa' Sykes > Rest In Peace old lad > 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
