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> On 6 Feb 2021, at 11:49, Mark Tuffey <wiscole...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I believe the pitch caused the first goal. Harrison slipped making a cross 
> field pass that didn’t reach and was then intercepted and off Everton went.
> 
> Cheers
> Mark
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> From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of Nicholas Armit 
> via Leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 5:00 PM
> To: Leeds leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; Nick <n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Everton
> 
> Maybe I am in a minority but I think the first is Phillip's fault. You don't 
> point at another player to take responsibility as he did to Cooper. It was 
> his player who scored.
> Nick
>    On Friday, February 5, 2021, 05:13:31 PM EST, Nick 
> <n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> agree with many of the sage comments since the game…”being happy after a 
> defeat…?” who’d have thought it…
> 
> But just thought I’d add that the winger who got in the cross for their first 
> goal did a first rate job. (That our defence was collectively yonderly, 
> shouldn't detract from that…)
> 
> Nick
> 
>> On 4 Feb 2021, at 18:36, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I imagine after the first half yesterday which was just chaos, the reaction 
>> in the dressing rooms was;
>> 
>> Ancelotti - We cant go on like this - we need to get a grip
>> Bielsa - More More More
>> 
>> And as ever Bielsa was correct - and Everton couldnt keep going at the same 
>> intensity - and we took control.
>> 
>> I think Strujk was probably most at fault for the first goal - it looked 
>> like he could have got across to the cross - but we should remember that 
>> he's basically 5th choice centre-back (as Bielsa thinks Berardi plays there) 
>> - and is playing most weeks this season.  So the defence isnt great but 
>> there is a good reason why.  I think Cooper has actually been fine in the 
>> circumstances.
>> 
>> Costa wasnt good but no worse than Pablo for example - whose loss of 
>> possession nearly cost us a goal.  Both suffering from lack of game time.  
>> Roberts always looks like he might make something happen - but never 
>> actually does.
>> 
>> Raphinha is fantastic - doubtful whether he'd be fit and he was going end to 
>> end constantly. Most talented player since Kewell and with a better workrate
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
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>> Subject: Re: [LU] Everton
>> Pretty much exactly how I saw it Rich. For me, the following are all on my 
>> "Should be sold or made into
>> a squad player in the Summer" list (And no, I'm not being unnecessarily 
>> negative just because we lost, just realistic!):
>> Alioski. We're crying out for a left back, Squad.
>> Cooper. We're now playing beyond his limits, Sell.
>> Struyk. Young lad, I like him, just needs some experience. Keep, good back 
>> up.
>> Costa. Waste of space. Sell.
>> Pablo. Allow him his swansong at his home club in the Summer, with our 
>> eternal gratitude!
>> Isn't it weird how pre Leicester and Everton I'd have settled for 3 points 
>> but, having beaten Leicester, I'm disappointed!!! We owe Palace, would like 
>> to beat them (Zaha a doubt for them too). Raphinia is my new favourite 
>> player, think he's precisely the level of player we need to attract.
>> I still hate losing but rapidly get it in to context of where we are and 
>> where we've been, was definitely the best Everton have played for a while 
>> too.
>> StigOfTheOnTheUpDump
>> 
>> On 2021-02-04 14:59, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote:
>> It's not often I come away from a home defeat feeling pretty positive.
>> For me, the 2nd half was one of the best so far and there's been some
>> good ones thsi season. We ran a really impressive Everton team ragged
>> and at times they just couldn't get out of their half. Their keeper
>> did well and we fluffed a few half chances. The pitch for me was a
>> worry in the first half but overall you have to say it was an
>> improvement on the field that was dug up because it did allow us to
>> play at tempo. The flip side of that was Everton were also allowed to
>> play at tempo in the first half and they more than matched us. I
>> didn't really rate them at Goodison but last night I thought they
>> looked impressive in the first half and although I think 2-0 at
>> half-time flattered them a bit, they showed that they had real pace
>> and skill on the ball.
>> The only real disapointement for me were the goals and the defending.
>> We can say that we're happy with the squad but are we ? We've got a
>> central defender effectively out for the season and another who is
>> injury prone so we're reliant on League One Liam and the Ripper (God,
>> he does look like Sutcliffe in his prime), who has played around 10
>> first team games in his life. I heard Luke Ayling manfully owning up
>> for allowing the cross for the first goal. Yes Luke, but there were 4
>> white shirts stood stroking their cocks whilst Sigurrson strolled
>> through unmarked to poke home. Philips lost him in midfield, Ripper
>> stood ball watching and I've no idea what LO Liam was doing but
>> Philips almost pushed him into position. A complete shambles.
>> The 2nd was a corner - what a surprise. Bielsa said it's common when
>> you get a near post flick on that someone has the opportunity to get
>> onto it at the back post. Really !? Why not fucking do some thing
>> about it then ? It's basic defending of set pieces and we've been
>> failing most of the season. We get praised for our attacking play but
>> we're defending like a League One team. I just don't see the logic
>> behind trying to get someone in the door in Jan. Even someone like
>> Kyle Bartlett or Pontus would be a vast improvement to what we have
>> now. They're not for the future but we might just be able to defend
>> games better.
>> Anyway, on to the positives, and there were many.  I think Raphinha is
>> a revelation and I actually don't think he's in top gear yet. I think
>> he's much more than a winger, maybe a no 10 or even a striker cos he's
>> got a really eye for goal and his passing is generally v.good. The
>> link up and hold play in and around the box was spectacular and
>> Everton were chasing shadows in one 10 minute period. It was fantastic
>> to watch. When our attack did break down everyone was chasing and
>> winning it back. Ayling's contribution down the right wing was immense
>> and it was good to see Bamford actually hold the ball up well and
>> contribute at times. Unfortunately, the half chances he got he didn't
>> look convincing. We deserved a draw overall but if we continue with
>> this defence (we have no choice now) we will get beat in games where
>> we have the play and the chances. It's that simple.
>> Scores:
>> Miesler - 7. Not much chance with the goals. Kept us in it 2nd half
>> with a great save from one of their counters.
>> Ayling - 7. Yes first half he did slip up for the goal but overall I'd
>> say he's a dependable right back
>> Allioski - 5. Good shot that hit the post, nice left foot and some
>> good link up play 2nd half but he's not left back and when it comes to
>> defending set pieces he doesn't contribute at all.
>> LO Liam - 6. Some good defending as always but he nearly gave the ball
>> away right in front of our box. I think a slip on the pitch saved us.
>> I worry about his set piece defending also. He has a habit of pulling
>> shirts and grabbing attackers. A few pens coming I feel.
>> Ripper - 6. Ball watching for the goal but there were plenty of good
>> things. I think he actually has the ball skills to take the ball
>> further forward than he does. Is he the answer at centre back ? Not
>> sure ?
>> Dallas - 7. Lively performance as always. Loads of work, loads of good
>> play. Is central midfield his position ? I don't think so.
>> Philips - 5. Poor first half. The game was too quick for him and just
>> passed him by. In games like this he stands out for me as being slow
>> and pedestrian. Second half, when we were on top and in control,  I
>> thought he did well and he put some good challenges in to break up
>> their play and get us going.
>> Raphinha - 8. Good goal, good skill and always keen to chase back.
>> Bamford - 6. Some decent play but not even close to a goal. Ok he
>> plopped one on the top of the bar but he never looked close.
>> Harrison - 6. Poor first half but he came strong 2nd half. Surprised
>> he got taken off and replaced by the hapless Costa when we were
>> searching for an equaliser. I can only assume he was fucked.
>> Klich - 7. Lively, all over the place. I see some on Twitter think
>> he's close to his shelf life but I think he made a real difference at
>> times last night without getting to the heights we've seen in the last
>> 2 seasons.
>> Subs:
>> Pablo - 4. Didn't happen for him but he needs match practice and I'm
>> afraid it doesn't look like he's gonna get it.
>> Roberts - 6. Surprised at a lot of fans including Noel Whelan slagging
>> Roberts and saying he's nowhere near a PL player. I'd say we don't
>> know that yet but what I see is a fit, young, hungry player who wants
>> the ball and looks sharp. I think he's got a lot to offer and it's not
>> a popular view but I'd give him a start up front.
>> Costa - 0. Pants
>> Palace on Monday. On, on on
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