>Or "I concede the other points but I refuse to admit it"?

It is easy and tempting to start with name-calling and to call you "idiot"
based on your comments, but that would be true.  Your judgement however
sucks, but that is something that can improve with age and experience.  All
the best to you.

I am not going to participate in this anymore because the only thing it does
is give you the chance to continue with your anti Bates ramblings.  I hope
other listers will follow my example and ignore you from now on.

e.


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