Key question Rob: how many times more energy do we consume than eat? I don't see mass famine. As energy costs rise, we'll feed ourselves but starve the dishwasher.
Nigel. On 30 January 2010 03:46, Robert Woodmansey <[email protected]>wrote: > It is not often that I adjoin a thread that is not religious ( Catholicism > and Judaism are my "speciality"....Lord Goodair don't titter), political, > though I do draw the line at discussing anything less meaningful than > Yorkshire or English Nationalism, all things Scum or tainted by Scum, older > women, younger women, anal, Vegetabalists are fair game. > > You get my drift > > Ok here goes global warming, your future impoverished lives and the > universe. > > People in general do not understand doubling functions, geometric > progressions and they do not understand energy and energy consumption > profiles. > > And I quote the Rt Honorable Eric : > > > > "100 years ago we were 1.7billion on planet earth. I think we can > safely assume that each families consumption (impact on nature) back > in those days were many many times less than it is today. > > In a VERY short time span, (a blink of an eye?) in human history we > have multiplied our population by 4 whilst at the same time our daily > consumption has shoot through the roof. As a matter of fact over the > last 50 years whilst the vast majority of the increase in consumption > has taken place we have at the same time doubled in population, thus > the biggest impact is recent." > > > > > > Here I go with the bearded vegetarian version > > 1. a man burns 1 unit of energy per day > 2. 2 men use twice that > 3. 4 men double that ....and so on > > 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128.... > > ...thus in the second "doubling period we ( the human race) used twice the > energy we did in the first > > In the second period we used four units and that is more that in the > previous two periods ( 2=1=3) > ...and by jove ! in the third we used 8 giga watt barrel thermo joules and > that is more than the previous three doubling periods and so on (4=2=1=7) > > We must be destroyong the planet and be the masters of our own demise !!!!! > PANIC and we all tromp off to join a cult in Guyana and drop toxins or > start > growing our own veg and stop taking foreign holidays and farting > > Bollox > > Firstly within the timescale of humanity we are still only in the FIRST > doubling period of using fossil fuels. Prior to that we burned wood and cow > dung, the bogtrotters burned peat ( and I hope it runs out personally as I > need a few tonnes for my garden, Fisons ripping out Hatfield moor was a > crime but hey we all made plenty of dosh on the way, SSI my arse). > > Point number 1. Irish catholics were the first to use a non renewable fuel, > Ok we can grow more but that means more sphagnum moss and flooding the > republic.....Primal solution !!!! > > Point 2 . Gardeners are contributing to global warming > > Now in Ethiopia and Ghana they have cut down all the trees and now need oil > to keep warm in a subtropical environment. So less trees = more global > warming, more fossil fuel consumption and the sooner the impending > disaster. > > This I agree with to a modest extent. Entropy, and by the way he was an > Englishman, proddy and WASP and LEEDS. It is an annag of I NOT NEW SCUM > (almost). Yes the fuels on which we all depend will deplete and more > rapidly > than ever before, but thank fuck Im 44 and will be brown bread before they > do and understand enough about derivatives trading to make sure that Im ok. > I hope it goes to 200 quid a gallon, my 500SEL AMG will still be on the > road. If you don’t understand that and are of certain religious > persuasions > or a vegetabilist ( I need my bulls to eat carrots) then do not read on. > > Energy. Wonderful stuff and what the proddy god's sun sheds on the > enlightened and others each year is more than we will ever create via any > means fuel or technology. We just don’t use enough of it. We cant > > The joule is the currency of life. And the Proddy God provides > > It is also the currency of capitalism. Why ? The Empire was built on cheap > energy, the occasional bit of gun boat diplomacy( the ability to deploy > energy) and massive kohoonas ( that’s why we are not all Irish nor Yiddish > who have so much penis envy they actually lop a bit off early just to > ensure > the poor kid cant shower at school and as for the "fighting Irish " ..my > arse). Im standing for an MEP post next year and I hope the diplomacy > courses are paying off, just concerned about the paycut. > > The empire was built on cheap labour, this = work which must defacto = > cheap > energy. They work slower than I do so we can remove the denominator. What > was the source of this cheap energy. Well yes we ruled the waves and > harnessed the winds but that don’t get your field of sugar cane cut does it > ? African slaves, that was the source. You put a bowl of rice into one and > you get 1.1 bowls out if you let him diet or 1.0 if he is in a warm climate > and can eat the odd bit of tree bark ( but without destroying the tree . oh > no) and if he is a Bobby Sands about 0.7 unless you put the ****er in the > kiln to power the threshing machine. > > The industrial; revolution was borne through another energy advance. The > steam engine. It used coal, and converted this into energy and put loads of > east Lancashire into work. Have you ever noticed how vertically challenged > they are in the "Shire" , born to get under a loom and have their limbs > ripped off. They still turn up at TOWD and I have the spittle around my > knees to prove it. Anyway here is the key number, you put a decent honest > Yorkshireman in a pit and pay him a proper wage and you get 5 times the > energy out of the ground that you put in. Better than slaves. > > That cloth produced was in turn used to enslave india. I'd send the fuckers > a saville row suit if he would just get off my phone ! Cheap labour, albeit > in call centres in Mumbai ( Delhi to us olduns) and child labour for your > Nike shoes albeit in Indai or China will enslave us if we let it, but > nature > will come to the rescue . Read on. > > Ohio 1920. You put one barrel of oil in the ground and get 80 out. Some > redneck puts a pick in the ground and hits a well. Nice return on > investment. In Saudi now the ratio id down to sub 20. The ratio is > declining, off Brazil they are now getting 12 to 1 drilling in 400 M of > atlantic. . the Oil price needs to be over 150 for a lot of fields to be > viable. And that is good news. Yes we are past global peak oil Im > sure...yawn > > You see an energy crisis will hit the least developed countries first. > Consumption will stay focused in the western world. We can afford it, they > cant at a personal level. There will be plenty of trees to burn don’t worry > as the food aid we provide will diminish. The days of phosphate and oil > based fertilizers to increase yield will soon be gone. You produce 12 times > the amount of rice on a fertilized fields in California than the same > acreage in Indo China. Food is just another form of energy. No subsidies > more trees and the longer the key fuel sources remain viable. The east is > less well developed, and unless they get back to farming and burning cow > dung they are truly fucked. > > Solar and wind ? Don’t make me laugh the return on the energy invested is > less than .08 per annum and they need new parts and re-doping. > > Global warming. I don’t know the jury is out, mass starvation in the > developing world, bet on it. > > This started as being a tirade and became melancholy. Sorry for that. I wil > go turn on some lights to ensure I accentuate the problem ( BUY NYMEX OIL > and ICE NAT Gas super long options, club together, the contract sizes are > more than you will use in 30 years)...save youselves > > Betty you will not let this through the Boocock firewall, so I will ask the > member for Grantham to do it for me. > > Regards > > > > > > Robert Woodmansey > Managing Director > +44 207 117 0111 > www.OnixS.biz > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric B > Sent: 30 January 2010 01:41 > To: Nigel Barber > Cc: leedslist List > Subject: Re: [LU] FW: FW: nonLU: Maggie Questions Global Warming > > I quote national geographic: "There are now 6.8 billion of us as of > 2009—a doubling since the 1960s and four times as many as just a > century ago" > > 100 years ago we were 1.7billion on planet earth. I think we can > safely assume that each families consumption (impact on nature) back > in those days were many many times less than it is today. > > In a VERY short time span, (a blink of an eye?) in human history we > have multiplied our population by 4 whilst at the same time our daily > consumption has shoot through the roof. As a matter of fact over the > last 50 years whilst the vast majority of the increase in consumption > has taken place we have at the same time doubled in population, thus > the biggest impact is recent. > > Do you guys think this could affect our environment? > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Nigel Barber <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Given the scale of the issues, it will probably take until the end of my > > lifetime, i.e. 40 - 50 years, insh'allah. > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > > > > > On 29 January 2010 13:54, Richard Naef <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > > >> > The scientific establishment is heading for a huge Galileo > >> > moment over climate change. > >> > >> Are you willing to put some money on that? how much, how long, and how > do > >> you want to judge? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list > administrators > >> accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > >> Leedslist mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > >> www.leedslist.net > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > blog.mindbrix.co.uk/2010/01/20/zoomable-gallery/ > > www.concentrichron.com > > -- > > > > Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it > > > > 69 Derby Street > > Beeston > > Nottingham > > NG9 2LG > > > > +44 7905 311 352 > > [email protected] > > www.mindbrix.co.uk > > Skype: ntbarber > > twitter.com/mindbrix > > _______________________________________________ > > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators > accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > > Leedslist mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > www.leedslist.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators > accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. > Leedslist mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > www.leedslist.net > > -- blog.mindbrix.co.uk/2010/01/20/zoomable-gallery/ www.concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 [email protected] www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. 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