Chris, for the third time, HAVE YOU TAKEN ANY DRUGS YOURSELF? It seems to me that you know everything about the system, and nothing about the subject.
Nigel. On 1 June 2010 13:03, Chris Briggs <[email protected]> wrote: > Nigel, > > There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that legalising dugs would > decimate the criminal justice system. Legalising the drugs would just open > it up to more folk. More people would then become addicted. > The cost of drugs are likely to be more once licensing / production / > taxation are added and lets be realistic UK.Gov are really, really unlikely > to sell this stuff off cheaply and if you think otherwise you must be mad. > Assuming that this scenario happens, the average addict then needs to find > more cash to pay for his wrap. > By and large the vast majority of addicts exist on the benefit system, > experience has shown me most fines handed out are met with a deduction from > benefits order, which then means to the humble taxpayer that Mr (or Mrs) > Criminal Drug Addict now has to pay a fine (deducted at source by DWP) at a > measly 5 quid a week (including a compensation order, does that seem fair to > a pensioner that has been punched to the ground for her pension so that an > addict can get high?). These are normally added onto existing fines. Most > addicts that pass through the CJS go on to some sort of rehab. However, this > only works if someone wants to kick the habit and invariably they don't. > There is a wealth of information on the net that shows that long term use > of an addictive drug (illegal or prescription) fucks up your life, people > lose jobs, houses families, etc and end up in the gutter on job seekers > allowance. > And now the really key bit. If addicts can't legimately get hold of the > cash for the next fix then they turn to criminal activity to generate the > cash REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE DRUGS ARE LEGAL OR ILLEGAL . Which is back to > the point I made yesterday or sunday. > > Now back up your argument with your personal experiences of the system in > order to show the world why you think that the CJS system would be > decimated. > > As you pointed out yourself experience is key. > > BTW - Just for the record I think that the lengthening of the sentence does > sound harsh and I have sympathy for the family concerned. I do not know how > their justice system works and therefore can't comment on it. > > > *From:* Nigel Barber <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:30 AM > *To:* John Lee <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Chris Briggs <[email protected]> ; list > leedslist<[email protected]>; > [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [LU] Leeds fan in Phillipine Jail - Billy Burton - > helpandsupport the campaign > > There are too many vested interests in favour of the absurd status quo. > Legalisation would decimate the criminal justice system - at least until > they identified another great evil to fight. > > This is exactly what happened in America after prohibition was repealed, > and drugs became the new menace to keep all the law enforcers busy. > > You can draw parallels for the army saving us from the red menace, and now > from the terrorist menace. > > It's the politics of the bogey man. We use them on our children and this > nasty habit sticks. > > > Nigel. > > > > On 1 June 2010 11:08, John Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > >> OK have read some of these threads now. >> >> If there was an easy answer to drug use/cultivation/criminality etc then >> by now it would have become apparent. All I'd add is that the present system >> regarding criminalisation/possession, in fact everything to do with drug use >> certainly in the UK, doesn't really work. It will only get worse imho! >> >> I don't know what the answer is. I know people who have managed their >> extra-curricular activities with no negative impact on society at all, and >> have witnessed the absolute opposite. One size does not fit all. Ridding the >> streets of heroine would be nice. I don't know why it's so hard to find >> poppy fields in Afghanistan - they must stick out like a sore thumb in that >> arid sandpit! >> >> >> > -- > blog.mindbrix.co.uk/2010/01/20/zoomable-gallery/ > www.concentrichron.com > -- > > Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it > > 69 Derby Street > Beeston > Nottingham > NG9 2LG > > +44 7905 311 352 > [email protected] > www.mindbrix.co.uk > Skype: ntbarber > twitter.com/mindbrix > -- blog.mindbrix.co.uk/2010/01/20/zoomable-gallery/ www.concentrichron.com -- Mindbrix -- Dream it, draw it, build it, love it 69 Derby Street Beeston Nottingham NG9 2LG +44 7905 311 352 [email protected] www.mindbrix.co.uk Skype: ntbarber twitter.com/mindbrix _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. Leedslist mailing list [email protected] http://list.zetnet.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist and the hardest time in a sailor's day is to watch the sun as it sails away
