God, I was wondering who'd b the first to dig ou the old "White people over-react to criticism" stereotype. Save it for your Black Panthers meetings, Maggie...
Ed. On 14 Jun 2010, at 11:42, Nigel Barber <[email protected]> wrote: Are you white? I stepped in because you went hysterical over a minor criticism. Nigel. On 14 June 2010 10:14, Greg Adams <[email protected]> wrote: Hence my questions, which I'll repeat here. Is Nigel assuming I am white ( and have guilt complex) or is he saying I am a black man with a white guilt complex? My guess is he was trying to be funny and maybe stepped in it? But lets wait to hear from Nigel. Greg Andy Clayton wrote: Greg - you seriously need to have a word with yourself. He never mentioned your colour. On 14 June 2010 09:42, Greg Adams <[email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>> wrote: What makes you think I'm white? Oh, Right. I am not called Mandla or Vuyolethu so I must be white. Unless you are suggesting I am a black man with a white guilt complex? Your comments says more about you than me inho. Greg Nigel Barber wrote: Greg, you've got some serious whitey guilt complex there. "He said African. Stone him!" Nigel. On 14 June 2010 08:47, Greg Adams <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: Because Africa is black, the vast majority of Africans are black. And because by far the majority of people who play, watch and run the game in Africa are black! The vuvuzela was used by black people at football stadiums where the majority of supporters are black. It is only very recently that the vast majority of white South Africans - who are mainly rugby union supporters - have taken to the vuvuzela. You might think (delude yourself?) that when you say African you don't mean black, but African people know that when people say African, they mean black. I have lived in South Africa a long time, and I can guarantee you that any black man or woman in this country will tell you the same. It is born of a long history of colonialism and slavery by - amongst others - european settlers. You cannot distinguish between black and African in this context. Pathetic? I don't think so. But it is your second paragraph that intrigues me most. Would you care to explain how does football values get diluted by the competition being given to an African country? Just what are these values you are talking about? And who gets to decide what these values are? I have been on the list for a long time, and I don't recall you saying anything about football values being compromised when the WC was held in Japan and Korea. Or Germany for that matter. So what do you expect me to think? Just to clarify : I am not saying that you are a racist ( I don't know you well enough to judge), but I am saying that your statement could be construed as being racist in its content. I certainly picked it up that way. Greg Richard Walker wrote: Greg, I said I wouldn't expect anything else from the Africans. So that means 'AFRICANS' I.e the people who play the game, the people who watch the game and the people who run the game. Why the fuck bring colour into it ? Pathetic! Just to clarify my point I was implying that football vlues as we know them are being diluted by giving the biggest competition in the world to countries like South Africa. Yes it's a world cup but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Sent from my iPhone On 13 Jun 2010, at 22:04, Greg Adams <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: Richard Walker wrote: <snip> I wouldn't have expected anything else from the Africans . So, tell us richard, do you include the white africans in this? Or only the black ones? Sounds like a racist statement to me. And anyway, if you took the time to look, you'll see lots of supporters in the colors of other teams blowing on these horns. The vast majority of the visiting supporters have said that the vuvuzela actually adds to the atmosphere in the stadium, and you cant walk anywhere without seeing Brazilians, Mexicans, Africans, Asians and yes, even pale faced europeans with the horns. So lets see, the tournament has started, the stadiums are all complete, no white women have been raped by big black men with huge horns (pun intended), no young (white) kids have been hacked to death, so what shall we moan about? Oh yes, the noise from the vuvuzela. Get over your white self FFS Greg Azanian Whites _______________________________________________ the Leeds List is an unmoderated mailing list and the list administrators accept no liability for the personal views and opinions of contributors. 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