Hi Bill Whilst I would agree there are more hobbyists than companies you have to consider the true cost of buying a CNC. Unlike buying a manual Legacy where you can put the wood between centres and make a work of art or a pile of sawdust without too much of a learning curve.
I believe a major cost of CNC is the learning curve and the support software if you’re going beyond the basic cutting. You also have to take into account a favourite subject of this group namely “customer support” from the manufacturer. If you are building for the amateur market you have to supply a much higher level than with a professional customer, and strange as it may seem Legacy are seen as being excellent supporting their profession customers. So Bill what figure would you put down for amateur budget $? We have seen a lot entry level CNC machines here made in the far east and they end up on the shelf in the workshop due to their limitations. Typically priced around $3,000.00 which includes 20% tax, to my way of thinking it makes an entry level Legacy machine at $7,500.00 a much better investment with far better capacity than the 12” by 12” entry level offerings. There you have my two cents worth. Cheers Roger From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley Sent: 21 February 2016 07:42 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Maverick Video I meant any market i didn’t think they shipped much outside the US i thought the shipping would be too high but i guess not for larger companies and I thought there was more hobbyists than companies It’s just a shame the hobbyist is left in the cold perhaps one day someone will come up with a cheap cnc That is within a hobbyist budget Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Phebey Sent: Sunday, 21 February 2016 11:25 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: The Maverick Video Hi Bill You need to clarify your question as to which market. Are you talking amateurs or professional users. I don’t know precise figures as to market split because I have retired and do not talk to Andy et al very often now. From what I hear they are busy and they are going more into small, medium and large companies around the world. If I had the money, the inclination to learn and enough of my life left in front of me then I would buy one. But being nearer to 74 than 73 I shall stick with my two NOVA lathes and all my Festool kit and my INCRA LS System. Cheers Roger From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley Sent: 20 February 2016 23:22 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: The Maverick Video Dam guys your worse than our government thinking of new and varied ways or extracting our money After I win the lotto ill order one for each of us, mills that is ill pass on the pry bars :) In all seriousness at the prices of the cnc mills do you think they sell many Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause Sent: Sunday, 21 February 2016 9:47 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: The Maverick Video I think a handling charge is well in order too! -Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: MWF <mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 10:57 PM Subject: Re: The Maverick Video Tim, Don't forget to add S&H to the "Down Under World". Just to be safe, make that another US $100.00 for the pry bar. Mac _____ _____ -----Original Message----- From: Tim Krause Sent: Feb 19, 2016 11:29 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: The Maverick Video Pry bar sold separately! :-) Can be added for a mere $295 US. -Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bulkeley <mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:50 PM Subject: RE: The Maverick Video Wow 16-1/2 K plus probably $2000 shipping to Australia because I believe it comes assembled so $18,500 US Converted to Australian dollar is around $25,880AU sort of puts it out of reach for the poor humble hobbyist Doesn’t it. I hope it comes with a free pry bar so you can peel your wife’s off the ceiling when you ask for the money :) Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kratky Sent: Saturday, 20 February 2016 2:54 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: The Maverick Video Maverick pricing attachment; doesn’t include shipping. Michael Kratky From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:45 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: The Maverick Video Good video nice sales pitch but no price tag how much is it and how does it arrive. pre assembled will make the shipping very high If you’re buying shipping cost comes into it too Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Phebey Sent: Friday, 19 February 2016 9:10 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: The Maverick Video Hi Curtis I agree it looks good and as there will be one in the UK fairly soon I will get the chance to take a good long look at it and see what young Wayne Mack can do with it. I have a question for you and anyone else who has watched the video. Is it a good sales video? What should a good sales video do for you the viewer? Now I am retired and have gone back to using hand tools and so I have time to look at things from an academic view point. Therefore I am interested in what you folks think and I am trying to see if you view things differently across the pond from us. Cheers Radar Roger From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE Sent: 18 February 2016 21:02 To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills <Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Fwd: The Maverick Video The Master of sales is at it again. I have to admit this unit and video look pretty good! 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