​So, to CNC or not to CNC, that is the question. The answer is simple, do you have the money and the time to invest and what or where are the benefits. If you are a business then that is what you look at. Now if you are a hobbyist it is the same set of questions but there may well be pressures coming from different areas. Kid your self not, any hobby when it gets serious cost time and money. I spend my time turning wood, I don't sell anything that I make, well I did once and it was a clock which made $40.00. I have yet to find a hobby that once you take it up does not have an on-going cost. Now I don't have a Legacy because quite honestly I would not get the use out, in fact I swapped mine for a NOVA DVR-XP Lathe plus space in my 12' by 16' workshop is very tight. Now since Legacy got into CNC and I remember Andy arriving at my local railway station with his Red Neck Luggage (cardboard boxes done up with rope and gaffer tape), his description not mine, containing the first ever Legacy CNC up-grade kit for my manual 900 demo machine. Because back then I was his agent in Europe and the Rest of the World. There was blood, sweat and tears to get that beast working back then and Andy did and it was demoed at a show in London for the following three days. Over time the pain has been taken out of CNC but the cost has not. Yes, I know you can buy cheap Chinese CNC machines but that is not a route that I would take, but each to his own. The real cost is in providing the software design files required to get that end result, a piece of wood that you designed. When it comes to software you have costs, both the initial design software cost and the upgrades that follow every year, then learning how to use it, and finally the time taken to produce every new design. Buy cheap, by twice is one mantra I have heard many times and I think they are wise words. Given that the kit you are considering is over 10 years old and no support is available, whether it should be or not is a whole new subject and many on this group know where I stand, then I would forget it. Keep on turning the handle. Cheers Roger ​ ​
​ From: Tracy Smith Received: 10/12/2019 20:03:09 +00:00 To: Ian, Do you mind sharing where you got the "huge 300GB package of .STL files" and what you paid for it? Thanks, Tracy On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 4:38 AM IAN <igiudi...@twcny.rr.com [mailto:igiudi...@twcny.rr.com]> wrote: Right now I’m in the process of revamping a 900 that came with the cnc upgrade already on it. I had issues with not being able to get the A axis to do anything, and Legacy really wanted nothing to do with it. I tore out the original control box and motors and bought the Avid CNC ( cnc routerparts.com [http://routerparts.com]) Nema 23 kit. Bolts right in with no issue. It runs off of Mach 4, and I just use vcarve or fusion 360 to generate programs. I actually purchased a huge 300GB package of .STL files for all of my machines , but there are some nice rotary files in there. I am at the point where I have installed a drag chain and run the wiring, now have to make brackets for the proximity sensors. Maybe this would be a good avenue for you? Sent from Mail [https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986] for Windows 10 From: Ryan Jurgens [mailto:rtjurg...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 7:52 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] Subject: Re: Legacy 1800 CNC for sale, and is CNC an option for the occasional Legacy user? I actually had quite a bit of experience on Giddings and Lewis machining center back in the late 80's and early 90's, that was on a five axis metal working machine. When I started seeing the CNC stuff on the legacy I wanted one, but about the time they were modifying the manual LOM's I was in the middle of my big 3.5 year house rebuilding project. Once the house was done I sat back for a few years and built up my wood shop, picking up some pretty nice equipment and built Murphy beds and lot's of end and night tables. I always thought about that CNC stuff, and got close to considering the Legacy Maverick CNC 4x8. $26k was a nit much, but I thought about all the things I could do with it . . . And then several trips to the Philippines kind of took on a life of its own. Now that Teresita is here and I have a supportive wife, ( Uh, the trips to the Philippines had a benefit of epic proportions.) I am now thinking about all those fun things again, even finally putting together my New (old) model 1200 LOM. I have been doing some "stuff" on the 1200, but to be honest, my ultra technical experience on the Giddings & Lewis spoiled me. I was able to edit g code, manually entering lines into the programs directly on the machine console. Back then the computer generated code was "sent" from an old DOS 6.1 operating system program called Genesis over network lines to the machine console. From there I would pick it up and modify if and when needed, which it very often did. I could even manually produce simple programs for surfacing and making straight cuts of many types. This machine also had a 16 place tool holder, and of course, who wouldn't like to have that on a Legacy? I noted the comment on the router shifting a bit on the LOM when changing directions. I thought maybe I didn't assemble things quite right because I see that also. In addition, I see some play in the outer rails when making certain movements on the x and y axis cuts. I also have noted some drifting on the z axis, I have the upgrade, and I now am beginning to think that maybe the old plunge router sled might be more efficient for what I have been doing thus far on the 1200. JOE: you have the CNC package still in boxes? What would that go for it you sold it to someone who might think about using it? I have been thinking about modifying two LOM's to make a wide setup to flatten boards and to do cut outs on plywood sheets. Just rambling thoughts at this point. I have seen mills near here for a pretty los price that might make it feasible. Maybe. So, to CNC or not to CNC, that is A question. I too have a computer IT background. I spent 25 years in IT, first with building and implementing units and specializing in Windows operating systems, then software, then Network systems. And then 20 years of Government Public Safety System implementation and administration. During all that time, when I saw the CNC era come into play at Legacy, my heart was there. I visited John at Legacy in Utah four times during business trips, even spending an hour with Tracy as he was working on a project with the Maverick. Hmmm. I still think about it . . As I enjoy my retirement. On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 4:05 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com [mailto:trlsmit...@gmail.com]> wrote: One of the things I definitely ran into was the slippage (don't remember the official term) when the CNC would change direction. It is more accurate than what I did manually but I noticed that in some cases where the work was very detailed, I had to edit the Gcode and modify how the program worked so the cutting was always from the same direction. For example, when the CNC changed direction, the router in the Zaxis shifted very slightly. I couldn't adjust it enough to completely take out all the play. In most cases it didn't matter because the final cut would fix it, but in some cases I actually adjusted the Gcode so the second and any subsequent cuts was always coming from the direction as the first cut. I know the new CNCs have corrected this but the CNC upgrade to the LOM couldn't completely deal with this. I just found a way to work around it. I also slowed the pace of work on my CNC as the entire mill could really rock around if I moved as fast as some of the stepper motors were capable of. Once the computer is talking to the CNC, the software Legacy provides (Conversational CAM) is actually pretty simple and most anyone could use it. The challenge is just getting to that point. Tracy On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:35 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au [mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au]> wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-ornamental-CNC-mill/254446633978?hash=item3b3e3383fa:g:P6IAAOSw2Bdd7EG0 [https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-ornamental-CNC-mill/254446633978?hash=item3b3e3383fa:g:P6IAAOSw2Bdd7EG0] I’m not sure a cnc mill that runs on the old aluminium rails would be worth owning yes it will do everything the manual mill does but its all the stuff our old mills can’t do is what I would be looking at and I don’t think the aluminium rail mills are accurate enough, too much play in the slides. the linier bearing rails are much more accurate witch I am assuming is why legacy went that way. So as a hobbyist I agree with joe I wouldn’t buy one. 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