Good morning MichaelAs always you are on the mark, here.If you are getting into turning for the sake of making money, Pen's are not the way to go. There are many reasons why people like to make pens, But if you are looking to make money, you needto make something that either people want or need.Now Its not easy work, and I am not saying you can make money now, but if you want to make money, Pool sticks can make money fast.I've made some money in the past in Antique repair, or better said, making parts for those how want part for broken chairs, table legs, or making banister part for stair case repair. and there is always roped molding for window casings. All you need to do, is Do a good job. and to get your name out there for people to know about you.I did a job a few years ago for a fence company. I took some of there fence posts and turned finals on top of there posts. That was easy work. they supplied the wood, all that I needed to do was turn some 50 posts for a yard picked fence. Now I did not go anywhere on this idea (only did this one job). But I know if I had tried, there are a lot of fence company's out there, who are looking for something more like, what use to be. Quality in there business's. There are ways to make money out there. It just takes work. and finding a product that you can do, that someone wants. EASY Right? ;-P Who knows, If you do the very highest quality work in making pens, there may be someone out there who is willing to pay you to make them? Having said that, I do know of a easy pen that cost almost nothing to make, which is a good gift maker. turning sold pen, and using bic. pen insert's. $3.00 can make you some 15 pens. that people like . HUMM? perhaps I could make some bone pens? Or, Maybe just one? We will see... ;-) Have a good day. C.A.G. On Thursday, June 3, 2021, 07:47:41 AM EDT, Michael Kratky <krat...@roadrunner.com> wrote: #yiv2683498832 #yiv2683498832 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv2683498832 #yiv2683498832 p.yiv2683498832MsoNormal, #yiv2683498832 li.yiv2683498832MsoNormal, #yiv2683498832 div.yiv2683498832MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;}#yiv2683498832 a:link, #yiv2683498832 span.yiv2683498832MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2683498832 a:visited, #yiv2683498832 span.yiv2683498832MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2683498832 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;}#yiv2683498832 p.yiv2683498832MsoAcetate, #yiv2683498832 li.yiv2683498832MsoAcetate, #yiv2683498832 div.yiv2683498832MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv2683498832 span.yiv2683498832BalloonTextChar {}#yiv2683498832 span.yiv2683498832EmailStyle20 {font-family:Sans;color:black;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}#yiv2683498832 .yiv2683498832MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {}#yiv2683498832 div.yiv2683498832WordSection1 {}#yiv2683498832 Have been a turner for decades and have or still belong to multiple turning clubs but hardly knew anyone who made a living at it or even broke even on the continuing investment that includes making pens, even gave away my pen making dedicated Jet Mini Lathe to my nephew who got out of it almost as soon as he got into it but the mini rewards along the way sure are fun.
Great group enjoy the interaction and the enthusiasm everyone brings to the table. Michael From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 10:25 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: spiral pen Agreed Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 8:12 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: They do have there place but if you already have a legacy mill why buy a pen wizard that does the same thing but if you don’t own or cant afford a legacy and you’re a pen turner then you would defiantly buy one Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2021 8:51 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: spiral pen I think they both have a place though. Though I only have LOM and WC. those pen wizards take up minimal space.. On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 5:41 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: You are right ray I have seen that video and did look and your right there are many different 1/8th shank router bits out there. the pen wizard is a nice tool but the legacy can do so much more. Bill From: rayuk99 via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2021 6:40 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: spiral pen Try this. I don’t believe the Pen Wizard comes with any bits per se – but Dremel do a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXgBPEpWuoQ For bits to fit the Dremel search for 1/8th Shank router bits – you will be surprised how many there are and how cheap they are. Ray From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Darkdragon Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 4:07 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: spiral pen Dremmel brand also has quite a few router bits they offer but I don’t have any of those. On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 10:03 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: I cant see any that might have done the spiral who knows what bit was used Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Darkdragon Sent: Monday, 31 May 2021 12:07 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: spiral pen Here is all the Pen Wizard bits that they offer with the machine. Lisa On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 8:34 PM Darkdragon <darkdragon1...@gmail.com> wrote: It is a nice pen, I will take a look at what mine came with. On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:54 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: Even so it’s a nice looking pen it looks like a small round over router bit was used in the dermal does anyone know if the pen wizard comes with a round over bit? Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Darkdragon Sent: Monday, 31 May 2021 9:50 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: spiral pen Definitely made with a dremmel on the pen wizard. On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 6:06 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: That what I thought Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Michael Kratky Sent: Monday, 31 May 2021 2:44 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: spiral pen Have no idea what a dermal dam is but more than likely that open blank was made on a Beall Pen Wizard that was introduced about 12 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXgBPEpWuoQ Happy Memorial Day, cold and wet here in the Adirondacks. Michael From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 2:09 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: spiral pen Found this on facebook today the guy says the spiral was done by hand with a dermal dam fine piece of work if he did as good as any we could make on the legacy Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/000b01d7551a%244d6bcca0%24e84365e0%24%40mmnet.com.au. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/008d01d75572%24f4017d50%24dc0477f0%24%40com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/000c01d755a8%24655a91a0%24300fb4e0%24%40mmnet.com.au. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CANTgimAFQjUCkip9nOq48tT9HMs4XEFXFuOjTwO9ifWQnZq1sg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/000201d755b6%24880cfb80%249826f280%24%40mmnet.com.au. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CANTgimBPc2TxjVqu5VQwkss4GDjsBFrmx1QJ4_9iyDjYBBCOdg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/000c01d755c9%2462723bc0%242756b340%24%40mmnet.com.au. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CANTgimDodbkdxHipbOJExVYju5GBED7s7Wo%2BK59qxV7VN-eMUA%40mail.gmail.com. | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/!%26!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAGOryeufhp5Glpc43SVJq5UBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAC9XjEnRn3OT7Gh5oU1NntmAQAAAAA%3D%40sky.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/001101d757fd%2439b2f1d0%24ad18d570%24%40mmnet.com.au. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CAMBiJLFHmkhBBOhospXeGF5mGZkfYCZgY_VD2E%2BLCJ4hEkXuSw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/000001d75815%24814c55a0%2483e500e0%24%40mmnet.com.au. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CAMBiJLHdpHKpwqj8W%3DUj%3DXYDOaEj8MB%2BMUKh0s_8g_DgGyR3_Q%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/005101d7586e%2440bffdd0%24c23ff970%24%40com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/1404413075.1714601.1622723242446%40mail.yahoo.com.