you're all good Dan. It happens a lot lol. Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 11:40 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Admin options apply. I don't care if they "get lost", but I feel badly > hijacking the subject of the OP. Please move them at discretion. > Searchable title might be like "LOM assisted handle making". Thanks for > cleaning up the mess I made! > > The lathe handles are close to 2" OD and maybe a foot or little more > long. Real beefy. All the other handles are 1 1/4" OD and feel smaller > than that because of the octagon section. > > DanK > > On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 9:28:39 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote: > >> hey Dan, >> >> Someone can switch this over to whatever topic or Subject you would like >> to name it. >> Bill, Curt, and Mac I think have the option to do that. Then your posts >> will not get lost. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> 14171 160th Ave. >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 7:49 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> My apologies. I should have started another conversation. >>> DanK >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-4 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you, guys. I'll get a couple more pics today. >>>> The finish is just Antique Oil or Danish Oil. They get >>>> shiny with use ! This London pattern is very attractive >>>> to me and very comfortable to use. I have four massive >>>> lathe tool handles with interchangeable blades turned >>>> from osage orange (hedge), and they are a pleasure to >>>> use in heavy roughing cuts as well as fine control for >>>> delicate cuts. So this pattern is very adaptable. I've >>>> even built hand screws with this pattern and copper >>>> ferrules using Jatoba! >>>> [image: 0495StanleySocketChiselSet.JPG] >>>> [image: 0155BlackOakHandscrews.JPG] >>>> [image: 0100RedOakHandscrews.JPG] >>>> [image: LatheToolsBig.JPG] >>>> On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:44:32 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wow Dan. >>>>> I like those. They turned out very nice. >>>>> Can I get a close up of just one of those handles. >>>>> Simple but elegant design. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> C.A.G. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 01:43:40 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler < >>>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow Dan that is some work to be proud of. thanks for sharing it for >>>>> sure. >>>>> What did you say you used for finish on them again? >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>>>> 14171 160th Ave. >>>>> Foreston MN 56330 >>>>> >>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 9:30 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkr...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don't have much for pictures, Tim. I get so involved in the work >>>>> that pictures are the farthest from my mind! >>>>> These Pfeil pattern handles are eight sided cut with an upspiral >>>>> on the front side of the blank following a template. They were >>>>> indexed using my mod index arrangement described in detail >>>>> previously. >>>>> >>>>> [image: PfeilStyleHandles.JPG] >>>>> >>>>> These London pattern handles were made from straight >>>>> octagonal blanks prepared on the REVO then mounted on >>>>> my Supershop lathe for copy routing from a pattern. This is >>>>> a batch made a little while ago. Now all my carving tools have >>>>> these handles or the original Pfeil. Notice the brass ferrules >>>>> I made from brass hex bar (not on the REVO, LOL.) >>>>> [image: CarvingToolHandles.JPG] >>>>> >>>>> DanK >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 10:55:46 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey Dan if you don't mind sharing some of that, I'd take a look for >>>>> sure. >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>>>> 14171 160th Ave. >>>>> Foreston MN 56330 >>>>> >>>>> 320-294-5798 shop >>>>> 320-630-2243 cell >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 8:09 PM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkr...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You've got some useful mods there. I do use the template follower on >>>>> my REVO for replicating Pfeil handles and other simple profiles. Will be >>>>> "twisting" some oak burl handles to a simple profile soon. I hope. >>>>> DanK >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 12:44:19 PM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I totally agree with you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 5, 2023 12:12 AM >>>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Using the Template follower on the Legacy Ornamental >>>>> Mill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you Bill. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have one more posting to do on this topic. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I believe the template follower on the Legacy is something that most >>>>> people >>>>> >>>>> do not use, >>>>> >>>>> It can offer so many possibility's and design elements that you just >>>>> >>>>> can not make on the machine any other way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have a GREAT DAY. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> C.A.G. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 02:21:17 AM EDT, <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lots of great info there curt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 4, 2023 3:40 PM >>>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Using the Template follower on the Legacy Ornamental >>>>> Mill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here are a few more template following videos. >>>>> >>>>> I the photos, the 5 spindles were all cut form the same template. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A few were run with both the drive motor and the spindle drive head. >>>>> (there are two photos of the spindle drive motor mounted on the Wood >>>>> Chuck.) >>>>> >>>>> *(There are a number of people in this group who have made there own >>>>> spindle drive motors, to make there Legacy work very much in the same way >>>>> as it dose here.)* >>>>> >>>>> But other spindles were cut as a rope/using the gears and template, >>>>> and some were locked in place by the use of a indexing plate like you >>>>> would >>>>> do while fluting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On the Legacy (or Wood Chuck here.) the template is a guide, and it >>>>> can be modified to come up with some pretty neat design elements. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ONE of the biggest problems people run into when using templates is, >>>>> The over-all idea of what the template is suppose to do. >>>>> >>>>> The Legacy is "Not" a copy lathe, Using a template on the Legacy will >>>>> not make you an exact copy of something. (at least not easily ,that's not >>>>> what is was made to do.) >>>>> >>>>> By using a template on the Legacy you gain control the routers cutting >>>>> potential. >>>>> >>>>> So you can rope a spindle on a tapper, as well as add some neat flutes >>>>> or make a spindle square or any shape you may choose, depending on how you >>>>> use the indexing plate and your router bits. >>>>> >>>>> THERE ARE SO MANY Possibility's out there for you to experiment with >>>>> and learn to use so you can become a better wood worker. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions? Or comments? Feel free to state them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have a good day/night everyone. >>>>> >>>>> talk to you all more tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> C.A.G. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 11:09:56 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler < >>>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yup great video I watched that one the other day. Extremely good. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>>>> >>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>>>> >>>>> 14171 160th Ave. >>>>> >>>>> Foreston MN 56330 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 320-294-5798 shop >>>>> >>>>> 320-630-2243 cell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 12:08 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental >>>>> Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ONE LAST NOTE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfgtlxe7X9s This is >>>>> NOT a Legacy video. but it clearly shows the power of the template and >>>>> being able to follow one in OT/OM turning. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have a good night. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> C.A.G. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 01:02:44 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy >>>>> Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Everyone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just got home form work. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Before I forget I did note on the shims and or bushings that can be >>>>> used to make small changes in your template following. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have anyone ever shimmed a grinder's, grinding wheel? on the wheels >>>>> arbor there are normally a set of plastic round shims so you can get your >>>>> wheel trued up on a number of different sized shafts. >>>>> >>>>> "Well" This is the idea. build up the bushing on the template follower >>>>> . This way when you get to the size you want, you can remove one more >>>>> small >>>>> shim, making the follower slightly smaller so you can adjust for the >>>>> finer >>>>> >>>>> (finishing) detailed types of cutting. >>>>> >>>>> This is one method that I have used many times over the years. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Legacy made a number of adjustable template follower guides for there >>>>> larger/production machines, and latter sold this follower to any one who >>>>> wanted there new Z axis on there Legacy's. >>>>> >>>>> The MAIN IDEA is to gain more control of the movement of the follower, >>>>> (Again On my 200, I used a depth mic. to make the distance change.) >>>>> >>>>> I am putting three photos of different ways that I have tried to get >>>>> this control done. >>>>> >>>>> ON the Front mounted template follower I used a router circle >>>>> adjustment screw/arm to work as my adjustment. ON the middle pix. I used a >>>>> set of large saw blades and a spring to maintain the tooth locking >>>>> everything in place. >>>>> >>>>> I also made a plexy glass adjustable follower (but I can not find a >>>>> photo at this time.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have a good night everyone. >>>>> >>>>> talk to you all more latter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> C.A.G. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 03:38:24 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler < >>>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good stuff Curt. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>>>> >>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>>>> >>>>> 14171 160th Ave. >>>>> >>>>> Foreston MN 56330 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 320-294-5798 shop >>>>> >>>>> 320-630-2243 cell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 8:57 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental >>>>> Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Here are some step by step photos. >>>>> >>>>> As you can see in the first photo the templates are not very detailed, >>>>> they need to be smooth and in the general shape of what you want to make, >>>>> but the fine details are not there, those will have to be put in after the >>>>> general shape has been turned. >>>>> >>>>> the 2,3 photos are aligning the router with the center of the work >>>>> piece/center of the machine. form this point you lock the machine in place >>>>> and then align the template to the machine. >>>>> >>>>> The last two photos are the Legacy cutting form the side, 1/2" >>>>> straight router bit (a spiral bit cuts nicer then a straight flute carbide >>>>> bit, but either will work.) >>>>> >>>>> The Y axis needs to move freely so it is touching the template while >>>>> cutting. You will have to hold the router by hand while cutting, Make >>>>> light >>>>> cuts down the spindle to get to the depth of cut you want to make. >>>>> >>>>> *NOTE: * >>>>> >>>>> In My 200 video, I use a motor to turn the spindle. A hand crank will >>>>> work just as fine as the motor. >>>>> >>>>> BUT, You can lock the indexing head in place and cut the blank locked >>>>> in place as well, and just index the part over and over to reach to final >>>>> shape. You may find this faster and less nerve racking at the very >>>>> beginning of template work. >>>>> >>>>> Now the fun part. once the final shape has been reached. you can >>>>> adjust the template follower slightly to make designs such as tapered rope >>>>> cutting and any fine detail. >>>>> >>>>> NOTE: in the past I did not want to adjust the template or follower >>>>> after the set shape was made, moving either of the two can greatly change >>>>> the shape of the part, so you need to be careful. (this is why I use a >>>>> mic. >>>>> on my 200's template follower.) but you can do the same thing by using >>>>> shims or making adjustable followers. (we will cover this idea latter.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> PLAY as much as you can before "TRING" to make anything important to >>>>> you. There is a learning curve that needs to be explored. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> LAST NOTE: I am using these photos to help demonstrate the process. >>>>> MY 1000ex, No longer look like it did when I bought it. Since my >>>>> Modifications to it/adding linear rail. My machine works the same way, >>>>> but >>>>> looks to different form the original, I hope my showing old photos will >>>>> help others, start exploring the NEW Possibility's >>>>> >>>>> that template following offers. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck. >>>>> >>>>> talk to you all more latter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> C.A.G. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to legacy-ornamental...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/101230103.2558491.1685541432774%40mail.yahoo.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/101230103.2558491.1685541432774%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 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