Based on your mention, I checked out the site and they do offer metal cutting blades. I would see no need for a reverse tooth config on metal of any sort. I'm gonna try their sample pack.
DanK On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 8:39:55 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote: > good information Bill. > for sure. > > Kind Regards, > > Timothy J. Ziegler > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > Ziegler Laser Worx LLC > 14171 160th Ave. > Foreston MN 56330 > > 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop > 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell > > On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 7:05 AM <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: > >> Yes they do. but sometimes I use the more course wood blades the hardness >> seems to be the same I just don’t use reverse blades it’s too hard to hold >> the work from lifting >> >> And as I say slow and steady is the go >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2023 8:53 PM >> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: Gear calculations >> >> >> >> Gotcha. Yeah I really should try that brand someday. Do they have >> specific metal cutting blades then I'd assume? >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 10:06 PM <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> Yes their strait blades are very good but not so the spiral which often >> break >> >> When clamping them up >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2023 12:39 PM >> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: Gear calculations >> >> >> >> I heard they were a great blade. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 9:39 PM <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> My gears were steel cut with pegas blades they are harder and last longer >> but also more brittle so slow and steady wins the race lots of patience >> needed but doable >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2023 1:31 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Gear calculations >> >> >> >> Yes, mine is 30" too, with a foot pedal switch accessory. I had occasion >> to cut >> >> some 4' filigree panels for a client in Chicago. A challenging wedding >> decoration! >> >> I would think that cutting 1/8" mild steel would be stretching it's >> capability. >> >> But with the right blade, I may give it a try someday! Gotta find the >> metal first. >> >> The brass, bronze and decorative aluminum sheets cut really well. >> >> DanK >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:33:54 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote: >> >> Well we know you have the best scroll saw out there. Thats what Bill and >> I both have. I have the 30 throat and >> >> bought it through Seyco, the Scroll saw specialists more the 15 years >> ago. Great and accurate saw. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 8:08 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> You guys are going to hang me out to dry! LOL! I almost feel like I'm >> reinventing the wheel. >> >> It sure would be nice to have a compact, organized archive of all the >> work that's been done. >> >> I searched and searched a LOT, but didn't get much. So thank you for >> posting the relevant >> >> history that you could find. I have it in my own archive now. >> >> >> >> I used my Excalibur scroll saw with a very sharp #5 blade running at >> about 5 strokes per >> >> second (very very slow), no lubrication, under a lighted magnifier. It >> goes quickly and under >> >> those conditions it's easy to get very accurate, clean results. The >> acrylic does not melt >> >> at that speed. I've had decades of practice at very delicate detailed >> scroll saw work, and >> >> I'm using it. >> >> >> >> I'm pursuing my foggy inspiration about directly calculating the gear >> tooth counts needed to >> >> achieve a given ratio between the feed screw pitch and work piece pitch. >> The current dynamic chart >> >> makes poke and hope guessing pretty easy and quick, but well, you know. >> Target practice >> >> is fine to sneak up on a good scope setting, but it's time consuming. My >> time is getting >> >> too short to hunt with poke and hope or work with ugly tools. >> >> >> >> DanK >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 4:09:51 AM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au >> wrote: >> >> Yea Joes gear sets were complex and very good that will test Dan out lol >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2023 2:26 PM >> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: Gear calculations >> >> >> >> These are Joe's photo's. >> >> It may take me a while to search through our archives, but its all >> there... >> >> >> >> Have a good night. >> >> >> >> C.A.G. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:57:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au >> <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> No 5 revers tooth of some kind perhaps >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2023 12:46 PM >> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: Gear calculations >> >> >> >> yes nice work for sure. >> >> What blade brand, tooth config and type did you use? >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 9:09 PM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Yes, that is scroll saw work. Thank you. >> >> DanK >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:48:59 PM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au >> wrote: >> >> Was that done on the scroll saw? Nice work if it was >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2023 1:35 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Gear calculations >> >> >> >> Having confirmed the pitch chart calcs on paper, I printed one of the >> duplex gears and pasted it onto 1/8" acrylic. After 30 minutes or so of >> very patient cutting under magnification, this is what I came up with. It >> feels very smooth against the factory driver. >> >> >> >> Next problem: the duplex I'm proposing for myself won't likely fit on >> the banjos. Grrrrr! >> >> DanK >> >> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:25:46 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote: >> >> Good morning everyone. >> >> >> >> Dan. More power to you! >> >> I wish you luck on your project, I know what ever you come up with will >> help the Group as a hole. >> >> I personally cant wait to see the End Results. ;-) >> >> >> >> C.A.G. >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 08:50:41 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com < >> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> And using these means many "good enough" gears have been made. Having >> entered >> >> the metal working field enough to get my toes wet has made me realize >> there are >> >> precision methods that machinists have used for many decades. In metal >> working >> >> there is much less room for poke and hope. >> >> >> >> FYI, Wandel's calculator still needs the module number. He calls it >> tooth spacing >> >> and does it in centimeters instead of the typical millimeters. Close >> enough to work. >> >> >> >> Now that we have access to machines that generate the gears, the better >> the >> >> information we can feed them, the better gears we will get. >> >> >> >> I have been able to confirm the module number for the index gear as >> 2.08333 and >> >> have made a successful pattern that precisely matches the original index >> gear >> >> on the REVO. So now I am about ready to test on paper the gears I think >> I need for >> >> the wooden threads. I'm excited because this pitch calculator allows >> quick >> >> determination of gear requirements for a required workpiece pitch. It >> still nags >> >> me that I haven't found a way to enter a required workpiece pitch and get >> the >> >> gear combos in the results. So in the mean time, this works pretty well. >> >> >> >> I have also found a way to edit the posted pitch chart so that I don't >> have to keep >> >> deleting and posting new links. So the previous links are broken, the >> latest >> link to pitch chart >> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VMgn4_ULTWml36mGCgiLYZmlS0gkcZQQuorgZR1XlkM/edit?usp=drive_link> >> >> works. Later on, I may bump the link to a new post where it may be >> easier to find. >> >> Any suggestions regarding that? >> >> >> >> DanK >> >> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:46:49 AM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote: >> >> Thats all I've done too Waddles program. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:43 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental >> Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Everyone! >> >> >> >> This is beyond me TOO. >> >> How I did it, was to find a gear generator program, then match the >> Legacy's gears to find the tooth pitch and angles so everything matched up >> right. >> >> Then I used common math to find make the gear reduction ratio's that >> would work for me. >> >> Here is a pix. of my chart. >> >> >> >> C.A.G. >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:25:31 PM EDT, <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I scroll sawed all my custom gears it took a really long time too I >> generated the gear in a on line program all I needed was the distance >> between the teeth and the tooth count and it produced a pic of the gear >> which I glued to the metal plate then scroll sawed away. >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *cdkr...@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2023 8:17 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Gear calculations >> >> >> >> No worries, mate. Bill can do math upside down and backwards. I've just >> posted more updates. >> >> >> >> My goal doing all this is to be able to easily extend the capabilities of >> my REVO LOM. Specifically, the current shop project is restoring a wooden >> hand plane that needs wooden threads typical of the era 3/4 - 6 (dia - >> pitch). I have a thread box, but it doesn't do well in the wood I have, so >> the REVO is called to duty. But the pitch required on the wooden dowel is >> not reachable with the standard gear set for the REVO even if I had all the >> gears made that would fit it. So the simplest route turned complex-- make >> custom gears. But I don't think I know anyone yet that can generate an >> accurate DXF file without knowing the module of the gears. A DXF file >> communicates the gear specifications from a drawing to a G-code generator >> that operates a CNC device of some sort, be it laser, water jet, machining, >> or 3D printer. Any two gears that mesh must have the same module. There >> are two modules used on the most common LOMs, one for driver gear (the >> little teeth) and one for the index gear (larger teeth). >> >> >> >> So a milestone has been reached. Now I will be looking for ways to >> actually make the gear I need. I have 1/8" acrylic sheets that I can >> scroll saw to shape. I also have machining tools capable of gear cutting, >> i.e. mill and index head. I'll poke around some before I get serious about >> hiring someone to make the gears, but I won't turn down leads. >> >> DanK >> >> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:41:45 PM UTC-4 M.W.Foscue wrote: >> >> I think we may have a "Rocket Scientist" amongst us! LoL!! >> >> >> >> Dan - I'm impressed with the level of detail/calculations and questions >> you come up with. >> >> >> >> Please explain - once you know the module - how do you employ/use it? >> >> >> >> Glad you asked the question - but, as you can tell, I have no clue as to >> what you are addressing here. >> >> However I have interest in what you are asking and how you will use the >> answer(s) - as well as how the rest of us will, as well, in our own unique >> situations. >> >> >> >> Question: Does Bill B. (Aussie man) have to use this equation: >> >> ____*1______* >> >> m = OD/(z+2) >> >> >> >> 😜 >> >> Mac >> ------------------------------ >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Sep 12, 2023 1:55 PM >> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Gear calculations >> >> >> >> Hi guys, >> >> Can anyone confirm my calculations of module for the drive gears and >> index gears? >> >> >> >> I calculate: >> >> drive gear module = 1.05435 >> >> index gear module = 0.09722 >> >> >> >> These two numbers are in mm and are critical to the accurate production >> of gears to work on the LOMs, specifically the REVO. >> >> >> >> The formula I used is m = OD/(z+2) where m is module, OD is outside >> diamter, and z is the number of teeth. >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> DanK >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Legacy Ornamental Mills" 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