Well I think I’m pure at heart so I’m safe then and age is irrelevant where wisdom is concerned even a child can teach us something I think I listen to all and decide then
Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Shuai Robert Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 12:28 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: wood bending with vinegar Nothing will harm those who are pure at heart, but in my case my guardian angel is not as strong as your guys'. And in case others in this group saw it I didn't want bad karma for mentioning ammonia. Sorry take care and just because I'm 40 doesn't mean I have more years, just because you're 80 doesn't mean you have less. You can live to 650 and 41 for me On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 6:50 PM cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> <cdkra...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote: Well, I should be near dead then. Still seem to be running on all cylinders. Perhaps at 80 I'm closer than I realize. I don't understand how all the people in CA survive with such dangerous stuff all around them... Thank you for the concern. DanK On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 4:59:46 PM UTC-4 Shuai Robert wrote: We just worry about you, not saying we know better. Should take care of yourself so you can take care of everyone else >From CDC.gov Repeated exposure to ammonia, usually in the workplace, may cause chronic irritation of the respiratory tract. Multiple exposures to ammonia have produced chronic cough, asthma, lung fibrosis, and reactive airways dysfunction syndrome (RADS), a chemical irritant–induced type of asthma. Chronic irritation of the eye membranes and dermatitis have also been reported On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 1:30 PM cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> <cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote: I used household ammonia which is not considered dangerous and is easily disposed. I guess it's a matter of preference....I can tolerate ammonia vapors better than vinegar vapors. DanK On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 1:42:09 PM UTC-4 bulk...@mmnet.com.au <mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: Yes I think I would rather breath vinegar than ammonia if it works Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Shuai Robert Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 2:27 AM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Fwd: wood bending with vinegar Hello, I used a festool power planer + lee valley Scottish plane to flatten oversized slabs that is over 52" wide, the dust is insanely unbreathable. They were purchased by stack from France, fully fumed the entire thickness approx 4" ? Bison timber in California placentia told me ammonia fuming is considered outdoor treatment and they left this stack outdoor - mappa burl <https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/4c3b33d4c06b/image001.jpg?part=0.1> The brown fumed smell like sausage , and the white one smell like books, these words are from people blessed with smells, but the fumed smell is strong for sure For bending vinegar probably can be neutralized easily and not having to wait a year for ammonia to evaporate and ammonia should be viewed as a hazard substance for normal population for safety reasons I think. On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 8:25 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> <cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote: Ammonia acts like a catalyst in hot water to soften wood fibers and the resins that bind them. It does darken woods with high tannin content, like oak. Ash and oak bend adequately with enough steam, but as mentioned, split (riven) wood bends more consistently because the fibers are continuous. Since the fibers must "slide" past each other a bit or be compressed, any loose ends are gonna pop out and create a problem area. Patience is your friend whatever you use. DanK On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 9:26:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote: Thanks Dan. I have used ammonia (Gas) to darken oak spindles on one of my Antique repairs a few years back. It worked out very well. But I did not know about Ammonia and water for bending woods. Thank you for the INFO. Perhaps this too will be a one day project for me? Thank you. C.A.G. On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 09:17:09 AM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> <cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote: I've not tried vinegar but I would not expect it to out perform ammonia. A cup of ammonia in warm to hot water will soften a 1/4" x 3/4" strip of walnut enough to tie it in a square knot. Ribbon bows are a piece of cake. I recently bent a sycamore piece 1/4 x 9 x 12 into a 1/2 cylinder dome for a box lid. The radius of the bend was about 4 inches. DanK On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote: sounds good Curt, let us know your results if you do it. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g> Foreston MN 56330 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g> 320-294-5798 <tel:(320)%20294-5798> shop 320-630-2243 <tel:(320)%20630-2243> cell On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 8:25 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: The funny thing here is, I already have a few gal. of vinegar . I use it for a number of things, (such as a cleaner/descaler for mineral deposits.) Perhaps once I get caught up with my project list? (the question is not "IF" but when? I will be trying this out for my self. "One day". ;-) C.A.G. On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 09:04:33 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <timjz...@gmail.com <mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hey Curt welcome back. Yes we have some others going to try it so what have we to lose right. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g> Foreston MN 56330 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330?entry=gmail&source=g> 320-294-5798 <tel:(320)%20294-5798> shop 320-630-2243 <tel:(320)%20630-2243> cell On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:30 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: Hello Everyone. (I'm back!) This story/vinegar bending is a new one to me! I like it. Nice find Bill. C.A.G. On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 06:53:40 PM EDT, Shuai Robert <rober...@gmail.com <mailto:rober...@gmail.com> > wrote: Also I've heard of ammonia or other volatile solvents working well in vacuum chamber or might've been pressurized back in the day when they did the experiment. So logic tells me I will try vinegar in vacuum chamber to help with penetration. On Mon, Jul 1, 2024, 11:47 PM <bulk...@mmnet.com.au <mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: Found this anyone done this? some of you guys might find it interesting https://woodworkly.com/how-to-bend-wood-with-vinegar/ Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/001301dacc4b%24b171a700%241454f500%24%40mmnet.com.au <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/001301dacc4b%24b171a700%241454f500%24%40mmnet.com.au?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. 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