Not every list member would have to send an email back to an
'offender'. Anybody who wants to be on the bit could have a form letter
ready to be sent the second an inappropriate question hits their LUG
folder. If the questioner got 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 of those in 5
minutes I'd think they'd get the point. If people can take the time to
write an email to the LUG giving a 'stoopid questioner' a hard time, it
would take way less time to send a form letter off-list. Like 2 seconds
compared to 10 minutes. The advantage of a form letter is that you can
take your time composing it, doing it just once, and make it truly
useful instead of these knee-jerk reactions that actually take longer to
write and have emotional spin-offs that go on for hours. There seem to
be alot of people who have had enough of the same stuff that's wearing
me out. It comes down to either deal with this in a way that makes
sense or keep on fighting in the LUG.
Anyway, thanks for letting me have my say on this and maybe the people
who agree will get on board.
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html
Gary Templeman wrote:
All those *if's* are still dependent on the list members cooperation
with following *your* suggestions, which is just another version of
the same problem of people not reading/understanding/following the
list guidelines. In reality the only time this stuff gets controlled
is in fully moderated lists. The Legacy employees here try to do some
of that, but they have their own real jobs to do. If a few long-time
and trusted list members took on that task, every message could be
screened and then could either be edited before posting, rejected
outright, sent back for modification, sent back with a suggestion to
communicate off-list, referred to a different list, and so on. I
suspect 30-50% of the messages here should have either not been sent
at all or been sent privately.
I have always felt that in some ways, the Internet developers missed
the boat by not developing a system similar to automobile licensing.
Anyone can buy a computer and use it. But just as for safety reasons
one has to demonstrate some basic proficiency before driving on a
public street (they can drive on their private property all they
want), anyone wanting to surf the Internet superhighway would need to
do the same. Think of how many fewer hoaxes, virus-containing emails,
flame wars, etc. would be happen if people were required to get some
training and pass a test first.
Gary Templeman
----- Original Message ----- From: "JLB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re: asking questions associated with Legacy
There is a so-simple solution to all this. If some-one writes an
inappropriate-to-the-LUG question, they should be answered off-list
by as many people as want to answer it. This could include a
statement that it's inappropriate, a list of reasons why and a list
of appropriate alternatives. If some-one feels inclined to answer
sarcastically, they are going to get back exactly what they're asking
for - the other person feeling a need to defend themself. But the
point is, all of this conversation will be happening off-list which
relieves those of us who don't want it landing in our mailboxes. I
would like to see this become an accepted part of mailing list protocol.
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html
Dave wrote:
I agree with the question about linking a pdf to Legacy. But I
don't agree
when it goes farther than that. If they want to learn about pdf's
or Adobe
then do that elsewhere. My opinion is that if it isn't directly about
Legacy (or its add-on programs) then take it offline or to another
list.
And I think that's what the rules state.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JLB
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 12:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re: asking questions associated with Legacy
All I meant is that some people are so new to computers they don't
even know they're in the wrong place. If they read a discussion
here about linking pdf's into Legacy, as has been going on lately,
and come back with a question like 'what is a pdf?' isn't that to be
expected? At least the once. There are enough quick and savvy
people here to jump in and send them elsewhere which is what happened.
It's all the *other* stuff, the whining, the 'you hurt my feelings',
I'm leaving, OK, good riddance, why do you have to be so rude?, I
don't think they were being rude, and on and on that belongs in a
different mailing list called "Emotional Release for People Who Join
Mailing Lists" and whoever wants a ring-side seat can go over there.
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html
Dave wrote:
I'll leave your second paragraph alone. But as far as the new
listers who
need help with computers or genealogy in general. There are plenty of
other
lists intended to be an resource for those people. They would get
all of
the help they want and need there. But I totally disagree that
this is
the
place for it. Many people subscribed to the list for Legacy and
Legacy
only. As can be seen from some of the messages people are struggling
with
the volume of messages here already. I don't think this is the
place for
it. Nor do I think it appropriate for some users to decide to
bend the
rules here, talk about anything they want and just let everyone
cope with
it. A little consideration for others would go a long way.
Just my two cents worth.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JLB
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 3:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re: asking questions associated with Legacy
Some listers are new to the list and/or new to computers and don't
know their way around yet. I think they stand out clearly by their
type and manner of questioning. They just need to be pointed in
the right
direction.
There may be a thrill in letting hundreds of people at once know
how mad or thin-skinned you can be, but I'd appreciate some
consideration for those of us who are trying to get some work done
in between reading and/or contributing to the list. If you're mad
at some-one tell that person. Maybe they've got all day to argue
back with you. The rest of us probably don't need to hear it.
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html
Barrie Smart wrote:
I thoroughly endorse these comments. It seems to me we have some
listers that prefer to ask the easy way - contact this group -
whereas some of us only do it after we've exhausted looking
through the archives, clicking on "Help" in Legacy, and Googling.
All these options would reduce such questions. Not knowing what a
.jpg file is would seem to be a computer education question,
rather than a Legacy request - after all, that's the format for
photos, and surely most people now have photos on their machine.
BCS
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:34 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Would it be possible for people who have personal complaints
against each other to write that to each other personally? I get
about 200 emails a day and it's an extra 2 clicks everytime to
open the mail and then delete it when I see yet another back and
forth on the playground as if we're still in elementary school.
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html
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