Another reason to separate "never married" and "had no children" is that proof of each of these situations can come from different sources. You may know someone had no children (perhaps they were physically unable to) but you don't know whether or not they ever married. Thus it would be helpful to be able to record proof of each item separately from the other. Boyd
On 7/04/2015 10:19 a.m., Kelly Booth wrote: > /"however there are (at least) two distinct cases where a child was > born and no relationship existed between the parents … in vitro > fertilization where the father is an anonymous donor … and rape where > the victim chooses to keep the child created by the act. In neither of > these cases was there any type of “relationshipâ€, there was simply a > pregnancy and a birth"/ > > I have a in vitro fertilization in my tree - she never married but I > can't check that box because it includes "no children" and that is not > the case. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Erik Dillenkofer <esd...@comcast.net> > *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2015 4:42 PM > *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Mark a PERSON as Never Married? > > Another reason to split the attributes is that even though a person > had a child, they still can have never married. Those two attributes > CAN be mutually exclusive. I know that Legacy “assumes†there was a > relationship that led to the child (and since it was a “relationshipâ€, > to Legacy the parents were “marriedâ€), however there are (at least) > two distinct cases where a child was born and no relationship existed > between the parents … in vitro fertilization where the father is an > anonymous donor … and rape where the victim chooses to keep the child > created by the act. In neither of these cases was there any type of > “relationshipâ€, there was simply a pregnancy and a birth. > *From:*John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com] > *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2015 1:05 PM > *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Mark a PERSON as Never Married? > Pat, Michele, Larry, et al, > > I believe Pat is correct in her reasons why these two attributes need > to be split. A person may never have been legally married but might > have been responsible for numerous children. > > As a genealogist, we can say that "No evidence that this person ever > married" and "No known children", but it is hard to make either > assertion and know it to be true. > > I recently reviewed a death certificate for a man filled out by a > family member that asserted the man was unmarried. I have also seen 2 > decades of census listings where he was listed at Single. I also have > a marriage record for the person and assume they divorced because she > remarried. :-) > > I cannot recall any Legacy function that uses this attribute to change > its processing; however, it is an attribute that you can search for. > > Actually, this issue is related to the Child Status issue we discussed > last week. I prefer to think of the Child Status and these attributes > as common elements that I would call "Personal Attributes". I have > submitted a suggestion that this check box be replaced on the > Individual Info window by an attributes drop down box similar to Child > Status box: eg, Twin, Stillborn, Adopted, No known children, No known > marriages, Died Young, d.s.p., etc. The attributes would be part of > the "Child Status" master list that users could add items to. One > difference would be that a user could select multiple attributes; eg, > Stillborn and Twin. > > The above discussion does suggest a way to implement a solution with > L8 to the original question prompting this thread: Add items to > existing Child Status list for "No known marriages" and "No known > children" and then select that Child Status attribute. You can even > search for any of these attributes; the detailed search for Child > Status gets its list of status items by looking at the Child Status > master list. > > john. > > > > At 07:27 PM 4/5/2015, Pat Hickin wrote: > > The point, Michele, of separating the never married and had no > children items is that one can _know_ that an individual never > married. But, especially for men, one is often not be sure there > are no children. I, for one, find it annoying to have to say an > individual had no children when I do not know that for a fact. > The result is that I just leave the box unchecked when I would > like to check it. > > Pat > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Sherry/Support > <she...@legacyfamilytree.com <mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com>> > wrote: > I agree Michele. I've found children where I assumed the woman was > childless. There was a day and age when it was shameful to have a > child out of wedlock so the woman would go on an extended vacation to > visit family until the baby was born and either someone else in the > family raised the child as her own or the child was put up for > immediate adoption. > It was several years before I found out that a cousin had been > married. The marriage was for a very short time because he turned out > to be an abusive drunkard and she quickly left him, never to speak of > him again. All those years I assumed she had never been married. > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Michele/Support > <mich...@legacyfamilytree.com > <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>> wrote: > > Bernie, > > I never even use that option unless the person was an adult and > only if I have some sort of evidence to show that the person never > married and never had children. I don't assume anything. > > > > Michele > > Technical Support > > mich...@legacyfamilytree.com <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> > > www.legacyfamilytree.com <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/> > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > <http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/> > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com > <http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/>). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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