Stan,
I've just now tried this by setting up a test family with a single mother
named 'Mom delete' and a child named 'daughter delete' and I have no problem
with creating a report with the correct wording.
I realize you are not getting this same result so we just have to figure out
why.
To test in Legacy 8, I added a mother (named: Mom delete) then right clicked
on her and added a daughter (named: daughter delete). Then I went to the
marriage information screen, clicked on 'this couple did not marry', then on
the 'wording options screen', I used Male and Female for the labels and for
the override, used 'had a relationship with someone'. At the very bottom,
under 'Other word substitutes for this marriage: I use Spouse: Spouse
Marriage: Partnership
Back to the family view, I notice there is nothing showing in the Male side
. where a name would be inserted, it simply indicates 'click to add Person'.
If I right click on Mom and click on unlink, I am offered the opportunity to
unlink from husband, but nothing is showing for him on the family view.
While in the family view, I highlight the Female Mom delete and click create
Descendant Narrative report.
It Reads:
Descendants of Mom delete
1. Mom delete.
Mom had a child.
Her known child was:
F i. daughter delete.
Mary
From: Stan [mailto:s...@ihug.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 5:15 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option
Hi Cathy thanks for your taking time to help .
I am using version 8.0.0.5.17
I have done several check/repair then list cleanup then Compact while I
have had the problem. It is still there
Yes I had double checked that Mary is shown as a female (as well as knowing
she appears on the female side of the screen (right) and n ot the unknown
(on the left). I actually tried marking her as male to see what that would
do but the software would not accept that (correctly) until I deleted the
marriage link
As a workaround I have put an asterisk only in the overide wording for the
"marriage" text. The Output then reads "* He had one daughter Jane"
As I advised earlier I use a macro in word for global changes and I have
added a replace that looks for this unique character string so it cant be
overlooked
As an aside i am surprised that your wording is Mary had one daughter and
not She had one daughter. My output for a normal marriage / relationship
entry is They had one daughter ot They had three children. It isnt X and Y
had one daughter, I would be keen to know where the option is to change in
that way.
Very strange that you cant duplicate this but I REALLY appreciate ypur
time trying
best regards Stan Baker
------ Original Message ------
From: "Cathy Pinner" <genea...@gmail.com>
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 2/10/2015 10:40:03 p.m.
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option
Hi Stan,
What version are you using? There was a bug like this a few years
ago. I don't know whether it was ever fixed in Legacy 7.5.
I'm getting: Mary had a child. Mary had one daughter: Jane.
without using any overrides - just Legacy defaults.
It might be worth doing a Check/Repair on your file and resetting
the Report settings to Legacy defaults, then choose your options again and
see if the problem is still there.
I assume you have checked that Mary is entered as a female.
However, there may be a wrong gender bug as I found one in a
different scenario and am still investigating to find the criteria that
produces it.
Cathy
Stan wrote:
Almost works like a charm Catby I had been hunting for the abitity
to
get rid of "unknown" for the father looking in the report options. I
had nt realised it was in the options /customise/3.11
The only outstanding issue following the adoption of your suggestion
is in the wording regarding the child. No matter what I put as the
alternative wording in the marriage report it appends "He had a
daughter" instead of "They had a daughter as it does with a standard
marriage or relationship. It should say either "Mary" had a daughter
or "She" had a daughter but most definitely not "He" I cannot find
an
option to overide thisi ncorrect sentence as I can in an event or
Marriage description
Is this the first bug I have discovered in Legacy? Is there a
solution
to this? Or is it something as obvious as the solution already
provided by Cathy?
Thanks again for the great help proving the advantages of this group
best regards Stan
------ Original Message ------
From: "Stan" <s...@ihug.co.nz <mailto:s...@ihug.co.nz>>
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
<mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com>
Sent: 1/10/2015 5:09:13 p.m.
Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option
Many thanks Cathy I will try it
best regards Stan
------ Original Message ------
From: "Cathy Pinner" <genea...@gmail.com
<mailto:genea...@gmail.com>>
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 1/10/2015 5:04:03 p.m.
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option
Stan,
The solution is relatively easy. Don't ignore the Marriage
Information screen. When someone has a child, obviously there was
some form of relationship even if fleeting and it's in the
"Marriage" Information where you control how the situation is
reported.
Open the Marriage Information screen for Mary. On the left you will
find a checkbox "This couple didn't mar ry" - check that. That is
what invokes the non-marriage wordings.
Then go to the Wording Options tab and put in your alternate wording
you want if the default isn't what you want. Defaults are set at
Options - Customise 8.7 The Wording Options tab overrides the
defaults.
It can read "Mary had a child."
If you don't want "Unknown" showing on your Family View for the
blank father, make sure you have Options - Customise - 3.11 checked
for "just leave blank". This changes it for eve ryone in your file
so if you still have Unknown showing, it's because you've actually
entered that yourself (and the person has a RIN which the blank
record doesn't have).
Cathy
Stan wrote:
Thanks Carolyn, This is the first instance though where putting
alternative words in the descendant narrative report options has not
so far produced an acceptable result. There are other Leg acy
reports
that simply state "xxx had a child" by default, which is what I
would
like to do. I can easily change the wording in the "marriage" to
call
it a relationship or other on a case by case basis and do this. My
aim
is to remove any reference to an unknown father and a "marriage",
My Descendant narrative report runs to well over 700 A4 pages. I
have
macros in Word that do a bit of customisation on a global basis and
then create a new PDF, which is how I distribute it
I dont want to have to remember to do other changes to individual
entries every time I update a listing though. (very frequently)
cheers Stan
------ Original Message ------
From: "CE WOOD" <wood...@msn.com <mailto:wood...@msn.com>
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 1/10/2015 4:32:26 p.m.
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option
There is a father; he is unknown. So far, there is no problem. Your
problem seems to be with the wording that calls it a marriage. That
is solved in other ways that other posters can elucidate better
than I.
If the report will not produce the precise wording that is
acceptable, you need to produce the report in another program, such
as Word. There are options that enable this. Explore them.
Legacy is not a report program; it is a database program that has
some basic, limited report capabilit ies and accommodates producing
reports in a few other formats in which you can use the verbiage
that
you desire.
Cheers, Carolyn
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From: s...@ihug.co.nz
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Wording Option
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 03:20:09 +0000
I have a problem that I am sure others have already solved
The scenario
"Mary" at a time of youthful exuberance found herself pregnant at
the
age of 16 over 60 years ago. The baby was born and was adopted out
to
unknown (at the time ) parents who called her "Jane". The fathers
name was not divulged and did not appear on the birth certificate.
Jane did not have a happy childhood with her adoptive parents, When
she was around 30 she managed to learn of Mary's ide ntity and made
contact
Mary did not marry or have any further children, but is now, in her
70s in close contact with Jane, Jane's husband as well as with
Jane's
children and grandchildren. ( her great grandchildren } and all want
them included as her descendants in a descendant narrative report.
In
the same vein Jane does not want her adoptive parents identified or
any reference made to them They are both happy with a General Note
appearing on Jane saying she was legally adopted at birth but now is
in close contact with her birth mother Mary
The problem.
Mary and Jane both want no reference to the birth father, They do
not
want him recorded as unknown, They do not want any "marriage" event
recorded as a relationship or anything else They just the words
"Mary
had a daughter Jane" then continuation with the narrative the same
as
usual. Is that too much to ask?
I have tried many things but nothing has wo rked. Removing the
marriage link then just attributing the child to Mary, reinstuted a
"marriage" and unknown fat her. I had thought that by making the
"Unknown" father "private" as opposed to " invisible" he and the
marriage would be ignored but regrettably that also suppresses Jane
and her descendants
Has anyone already solved this problem??
cheers from Stan in NZ
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