Not to quibble, but although the official date is what was supposed to have been the criteria for enumeration, I have seen too many instances of the data apparently being taken as of the date of the enumeration. As I said, that was incorrect, but I still believe it happened. That is why I always record both the official date and the date of the enumeration.
Donald Quigley Escondido, CA <http://www.donquigley.net/> Quigley Doyle Family Tree From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of CE WOOD Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:06 PM To: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Chronology View That's exactly why it is important to view the actual census page itself. Many transcribers make egregious errors, so ancestry.com summaries, for instance, too often contain errors in names, dates, et alia. The date that the census taker interviews is not the date either; it is the date in the box below NAME. For your example " 22 Jul 19, 1850 Census-Household Member: 1850 US (Hamilton P. Cole). Columbia, Herkimer, New York, USA." The US Census Form in 1850 used the date of June 1, 1850. Specifically: "Name of every Person whose usual place of abode on the first day of June, 1859, was in this family" So, the US Census information is that he was a household member on June 1st, 1850. If the enumeration date was the 19th, that is not the date the US Census says he was a household member. CE _____ From: dwquig...@cox.net <mailto:dwquig...@cox.net> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:36:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Chronology View Yes, I know. But you should also be cautious because some (many) records seem to have been incorrectly filled out as of the date the census was taken - as in the example I gave below, where the official 1850 census date was June 1st. Donald Quigley Escondido, CA <http://www.donquigley.net/> Quigley Doyle Family Tree From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of CE WOOD Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 9:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Chronology View Be aware that the date on which the census taker took the information is not the date of residence, occupation, or age of persons. The census taker asked what those were as of the date printed in one of the header boxes of the census form, which was usually 1 January of the census year. CE _____ From: wnkwal...@rogers.com <mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:26:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Chronology View If you know enough to manually sort the partial date, but not enough to give it an exact date, perhaps you could change it to use keywords like 'after' or 'about'. For example, change '1850' to 'Aft 4 Jul 1850', 'Aft Jul 1850', or 'Abt Jul 1850'. Then it would sort appropriately. I presume that you don't trust the census date to accurately reflect the actual date of residence, but you have a guess as to when the residence truly applies. Otherwise, you would use the exact date for both events, or not even bother having both events. Ward From: Cathy Pinner <mailto:genea...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, 18 July, 2016 11:28 PM To: Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Chronology View Don, If you want that ability, you'll need to send in a Suggestion - see the Home Tab or the Help Ribbon for the links to Request a Feature. I don't think it's so simple as "use the Sort order of the individual" as the items may not be sorted in date order at all and that order is not going to make any sense on the chronology page. You may be wanting the option to sort a partial date as 31/12/xxxx instead of as 1/1/xxxx ? Cathy Don Quigley wrote: Yes, but no luck. Donald Quigley Escondido, CA Quigley Doyle Family Tree <http://www.donquigley.net/> *From:*LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Donald Brown *Sent:* Monday, July 18, 2016 1:51 PM *To:* 'Legacy User Group' <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> > *Subject :* Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Chronology View Have you turned off the option to move or insert events in >options>2.2? Donald Brown Orangeville, Ontario, Canada *From:*LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Don Quigley *Sent:* 18 July, 2016 4:40 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] FW: Chronology View Gerald, I understand how Legacy (not the computer, because this is a software issue, not a hardware issue) sorts the Chronology View. However, it apparently does not have a code to provide an option to mimic the sort order I prefer in the data entry page for an individual. Donald Quigley Escondido, CA Quigley Doyle Family Tree <http://www.donquigley.net/> *From:*gerald [mailto:g...@representative.com] *Sent:* Monday, July 18, 2016 8:56 AM *To:* Don Quigley <dwquig...@cox.net <mailto:dwquig...@cox.net%20%3cmailto:dwquig...@cox.net> <mailto:dwquig...@cox.net>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology View It does sort properly. But you seem not to understand how computers see things -- and it is not the way WE see things. In a list of dates as you have, which do you think comes first: July 4, 1850 or 1850. Obviously, it sorts by year first, and since 1850 is all alone with nothing else attached to it, it is first. Then later, it will look at all the additional information. It cannot tell WHEN in 1850 it should go, so it comes to the top of the list. When you have a month, that comes next, and later, the day itself. So yes, it is all sorted according to the rules of data sorting as was established in the very beginning of time. It is only YOU that seems to think differently. THAT is where the problem occurs. It is not that you did anything wrong, but that you do not think the w ay the machine "thinks". This happens all the time with machine-human interactions. To get around this, my might have to enter dummy dates for those in 1850 without month and day, just to put them into some sort of order. But then, you may mistake this dummy data as being true, and that confuses us all the more! So --- Well, I don't know the solution! *Sent:*Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 11:31 AM *From:* "Don Quigley" <dwquig...@cox.net <mailto:dwquig...@cox.net%20%3cmailto:dwquig...@cox.net> <mailto:dwquig...@cox.net>> *To:* "'Legacy User Group'" <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com%20%0b%3cmailto:legacyusergroup@legac yusers.com> <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology View No, the program would only have to read the sort order from the data input page. But I guess I will have to yield to the view that the two "pages" are just not connected in Legacy. I can live with that. Donald Quigley Escondido, CA Quigley Doy le Family Tree <http://www.donquigley.net/> *From:*LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *James Smith *Sent:* Sunday, July 17, 2016 9:49 AM *To:* Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com%20%0b%3cmailto:legacyusergroup@legac yusers.com> <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology View To sort the way you manually sorted, the program would have to be able to read your mind. It cannot do that, it can only read the date. Obviously, it sorts by the year (only) first, then sorts by month/day/year as shown in your excerpt. Jim Smith On 7/17/2016 11:20, dwquig...@cox.net <mailto:dwquig...@cox.net> wrote: Only because the census took place on a specific date, whereas residences and occupations span a longer period of time, so using the year makes more sense to me. But we are losing sig ht of the real reason for my question - If Legacy can let you manually sort the event order, why can't that order be reflected in the Chronology View? ---- Chris Hill<chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi Surely, since you know that date of the census then you must also know the date for the occupation and residence events. Why do you want to record those against the year only? Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com <mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com%20%20%3clegacy%20usergroup-b oun...@legacyusers.com%3e> <legacy usergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>] On Behalf Of Don Quigley Sent: 17 July 2016 02:44 To: 'Legacy User Group' Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology View Cathy, I understand, but there are times when only a year is known for an event and it doesn't sort well"chronologically" with other events that year that have a more specific date. Consider the following excerpt from a Chronology View from a person who happened to show up in two censuses for one year: 22 1850 Occupation: &nbs p; farmer. Columbia, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 1850 Residence-Occupant: (Hamilton P. Cole). Columbia, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 1850 Residence-Occupant: (Newton Americus Morgan). Winfield, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 1850 Occupation: farmer. Winfield, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 Jul 4, 1850 Marriage: Hanna Theresa Morgan (1834-1916) in Winfield, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 Jul 19, 1850 Census-Household Member: 1850 US (Hamilton P. Cole). Columbia, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 Aug 30, 1850 Census-Household Member: 1850 US (Newton Americus Morgan). Winfield, Herkimer, New York, USA. These events are manually sorted as follows, which I find more visually appealing: 22 Jul 4, 1850 Marriage: Hanna Theresa Morgan (1834-1916) in Winfield, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 1850 Occupation: farmer. Columbia, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 1850 Residence-Occupant: & nbsp; (Hamilton P. Cole). Columbia, Herkimer, New York, USA 22 Jul 19, 1850 Census-Household Member: 1850 US (Hamilton P. Cole). Columbia, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 1850 Occupation: farmer. Winfield, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 1850 Residence-Occupant: (Newton Americus Morgan). Winfield, Herkimer, New York, USA. 22 Aug 30, 1850 Census-Household Member: 1850 US (Newton Americus Morgan). Winfield, Herkimer, New York, USA. Donald Quigley Escondido, CA Quigley Doyle Family Tree -----Original Message----- From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com <mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com%20%20%3clegacyusergroup-boun c...@legacyusers.com%3e> <legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>] On Behalf Of Cathy Pinner Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:06 PM To: Legacy User Group<legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology View & nbsp; It's the CHRONOLOGY View. It's whole point is to put things in date order. A date that is just a year or about xxxx is sorted before 1 Jan xxxx. Cathy -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
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