Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

Christopher Seward Sr. Wed, 07 Aug 2019 05:42:46 -0700

Just an interjection - the standard is that the last 4 fields of thelocation are "city, county, state, country". It s also standard to useother data in front of those 4 (e.g. neighborhood, school district,etc). It's the last 4 that location services look at.


On 8/6/2019 10:26 PM, Jerry wrote:

In my opinion, we should be cognizant of the fact our records aregoing to be seen all over the globe. Therefore, *IN* would never beacceptable to me - just my opinion. And by utilizing

, , Indiana, United States ****(of America not needed, but USAis also an abbreviation and should be avoided, in my opinion, and easyto fix with a FIND AND REPLACE in Legacy.)

This allows the index system to *PERFECTLY* sort your records by everycriteria (city, county, state, country) or equivalent. Without thisconsistency, you will never get well designed indices (indexes) foryour records, particularly if you have a website. Thanks for listening!


Jerry Boor
https://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org

On 08/03/2019 15:07, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:

What does not make sense is seeing something like: , , , Indiana,United States of America. when a simple IN would do. Or: , , ,Berlin, Democratic Republic of Germany. You can find whateveravailable record in Berlin today regardless if it was Prussia,Imperial Germany, Natzi Germany, East Germany or West Germany orOccupied American Sector, French Sector, or British Sector, or Federal Rpublic of Germany. This junk belongs in the notes not inthe primary entry.



Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎August‎ ‎03‎, ‎2019‎ ‎09‎:‎22‎:‎00‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT,Christopher Seward Sr <csewar...@gmail.com> wrote:

James, I understand where you're coming from. I just think thathandling data in a manner that deviates from the standard is invitingdata integrity issues. As I said, the choice is yours. Just be awareof the lasting issues it will cause for those who come after.


Christopher

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 4:59 AM James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup<legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>> wrote:

Exactly my point. Putting historical location in the notes
maintains all the information one needs and still be sensible and
useful to family members. If people import information without
looking at the notes, then they are not being a good genealogist.
It tells me that they just copy things for numbers, not for
reliable and useful information to share.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎02‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎51‎:‎50‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT, Bill
Hoff <bh...@mchsi.com <mailto:bh...@mchsi.com>> wrote:

Then one cannot find on a map if historic locations used. With
many relatives in West Virginia I have this problem. WV did not
become a state until June 20, 1863. On top of that many counties
within the state were divided over many years, far too many for
me to recall them all. Then there is the problem of knowing
locations but not dates so one cannot be certain of entries
Bill

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On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:15 PM, Christopher Seward Sr.
<csewar...@gmail.com <mailto:csewar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You are free to record as you choose, but keep in mind that if
you publish & share this information, your method goes against
the standard, and can cause issues.

An example for me was importing a person's info into my file. I
kept getting import errors stating the the location (birth place)
did not exist on that date (birth date). Now I have an issue,
since this place not only didn't exist when this person was born,
but when it did exist, it was in a different country than when he
was born, thus making him appear to be of one heritage, but was
actually another.

I recommend ALWAYS putting the correct location in, and putting
the current name of the location in the notes.

On 8/1/2019 4:41 PM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
Yes, but in the notes. Most people I share my information with
want to know where the place is now. They, like Trump, have no
regard for history, and those who know their history, already
know what the original name is. Looking for documents, the
current place will know what jurisdiction they once were
governed by. It is all about being usable for current people.
Otherwise, we would all be recording everying in Latin like they
once did.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell
317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎22‎:‎29‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT,
sarrazingeor...@gmail.com <mailto:sarrazingeor...@gmail.com>
<sarrazingeor...@gmail.com> <mailto:sarrazingeor...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I think one should always the name of a location the way it is
indicated in the documentation.

If the name has change or if two locations have been merge, I use
curly brackets with the new name after the old name.

Ex. Romorantin {Romorantin-Lanthenay}, 41194, Loir-et-Cher,
Centre-Val de Loire, France

(Note : I use 5 fields)

Georges

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I always use the current geographic location and name today in
each entry and in the notes, remark that the geographic name and
country was different then than it is today. That way when a
grandchild (or anyone) wants to find the place on a map is able
to do so. Prussia is very hard to find, if you did not know
where to look. Same thing with names of cities whose name has
changed. Stalingrad, Linengrad don't make sense for someone born
after the Cold War. Peking vs. Bejing. Same thing.

Hoosierly yours,

James G. Hermsen

8108 Laura Lynne Lane

Indianapolis, IN 46217

317-679-1466 cell

317-881-4600 land line

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎01‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎43‎:‎54‎ ‎AM‎ ‎EDT,
mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>> wrote:

I hope you are not inserting the the added information if it is
not in the document. The jurisdictions change over time. In the
US what was a county in 1850 may be another county in 1860 and
still another county by 1870. The house did not move but the
boundaries did.

Marie

Marie Varrelman Melchiori, Certified Genealogist Emeritus
______________________________ ______________________________ __
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Certification of Genealogists, used under license by
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In a message dated 8/1/2019 6:24:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wrlinh...@gmail.com <mailto:wrlinh...@gmail.com> writes:

I do agree.

My standard is: [1. local jurisdiction/repository i.e.township,
village, city, etc], 2.County, 3.State, 4.Country

and apply to other countries similarly by always using three
commas for all locations [usually each has a repository of
genealogical data] . The entry might between comma's might be
null if I don't have the information. For example born in USA
might be ", , , USA". I know I have some research to do but I
only record what I have from that source.

For folder hierarchy and some naming situations I reverse the
order but always hold to 4 elements for location. I don't
believe I have ever had an exception. I am sure I will learn
about one here. So far this works for me.

Bill

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:20 AM Roberta Schwalm
<robertaschw...@gmail.com <mailto:robertaschw...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I do the same thing, Shirley. Most of my ancestors are from
Scotland, Ireland, England, Germany and a spattering of
French. The only difference is I use "province" instead of
State.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 9:05 PM Shirley Crampton
<scshenders...@gmail.com <mailto:scshenders...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I use Village, County, State, Country. Hopefully there is
no more than 1 village of the same name in the County. If
the place is rural then I put the name of the township in
the first position.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 5:47 PM Connie Laubach
<bluecorab...@gmail.com <mailto:bluecorab...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Trying to decide how to input the location names – I
have townships that are made up of villages and
boroughs. How are others handling it?

I have thought of the following:

Village, township, county, state, United States

township-village, country, state, United States (I
like this as all villages within the township would
be listed together)

Thank you, Connie.

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