Ruth - It does not appear that you can make selected portions of text
italics, i.e., you cannot make source titles italicized. Hopefully,
Millennia will consider this for an upgrade. In the meantime, you would
need to send your report to your word processor and do a search and replace.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ruth Selman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:24 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Italics in citations; WAS Followup on sources
> Cheri
>
> I've been intrigued by your use of the code [ITAL] in your postings on
> citations. I haven't found a way of formatting individual words within
> Legacy notes or citations. Is there a way to your knowledge or are you
> just giving best practice?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Ruth
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cheri Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Followup on sources
>
>
> > But see p. 21 of Mills "related discussion." Read further on page 29:
> > "Record the detail as it appears in the published source; identify
> that
> > source fully; THEN NOTE THAT THE WRITER CITES HIS OR HER SOURCE AS . .
> .
> > [here we copy the citation exactly--as on page 45, note 1]. Read the
> full
> > section 9 beginning on p. 29 of Mills. Her example on p. 45 is as
> follows:
> >
> > 1. Noel C. Stevenson, [ITAL] Genealogical Evidence: A guide to the
> Standard
> > of Proof Relating to Pedigrees, Ancestry, Heirship and Family History,
> > [ITAL] revised edition (Laguna Hills, California: Aegean park Press,
> 1989),
> > 186. As his authority, Steven cites [ITAL] "State v. Samuels, [ITAL]
> 6
> > Pennewills' Delaware Reports, 36 39."
> >
> > She cites the source she used (Noel Stevenson's book) and the source
> that
> > Stevenson used (State v. Samuels).
> >
> > Mills practice is consistent with The Chicago Manual of Style. Thus,
> to be
> > consistent with both Mills and TCMS you would cite the person from
> whom you
> > received the information AND the source of that person's information.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rick Hannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 6:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Followup on sources
> >
> >
> > > I see your point and I don't disagree with you. If we are only
> talking
> > > about dates/places then I don't think there is any copyright
> infringement.
> > > Now if the person sharing data with you also quotes copyrighted
> material,
> > > then it should definately be cited. I know it's not always the
> case, but
> > > most copyrighted material can be found somewhere, so I would then
> find
> > that
> > > material for myself and make it my own source. I think we are
> getting
> > into
> > > a fine line here and depending on the situation, it could go either
> way.
> > > Another example, if someone cited a birth certificate in their
> research, I
> > > would not cite that birth certificate as mine because it's not my
> source,
> > > the contributor is my source. If I want to use the birth
> certificate as
> > my
> > > source I'd find a way to get a copy for myself. When I look at
> someone's
> > > research, I look at their sources to validate their work, even to
> the
> > point
> > > of asking "Would you mind showing me your source?"
> > >
> > > What happens when the person moves, dies, etc? Good point and I've
> > thought
> > > about that but haven't come to a solid resolution. What happens
> when the
> > > only copy of copyrighted material is destroyed in a fire or flood?
> I
> > think
> > > it's important that we (genealogy researcher's) make it a point to
> publish
> > > our works, even if we self publish, and donate the material to
> libraries
> > in
> > > the area of the families researched.
> > >
> > > Final Point: Elizabeth Shown Mills, in "Evidence! Citation &
> Analysis for
> > > the Family Historian" states in the Guidelines for Documentation,
> page 29,
> > > "We should not cite sources we have not used; it is both risky and
> > unethical
> > > to "borrow notes" from other writers." She further states that your
> > > suggested method and my method are acceptable but my method is
> preferred.
> > >
> > > I think we are both right, it just depends on the circumstance.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Cheri
> > > Casper
> > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 17:53
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Followup on sources
> > >
> > >
> > > I respectfully disagree with your statements about not citing
> someone
> > else's
> > > sources. The Chicago Manual of Style specifically states that
> "references
> > > to the work of one author . . . in that of another must cite both
> works."
> > >
> > > That being said, what happens if the person from whom you received
> the
> > > information dies, changes e-mail, or somehow becomes unavailable?
> How
> > will
> > > anyone know where that person got their information and where they
> can
> > look
> > > for the documentation?
> > >
> > > I think it is a big mistake not to cite both -- the person from who
> you
> > > received the information with a subsequent citation WITHIN THE
> ORIGINAL
> > > CITATION to that person's source of information.
> > >
> > > Bonnie Costello, [ITAL]Marianne Moore: Imaginary Possessions[ITAL]
> > > (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1981), 78, quoting (or
> citing, as
> > the
> > > case may be) Louis Zukosfky, "Sincerity and Objectification,"
> > > [ITAL]Poetry[ITAL] 37 (February 1931): 269.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rick Hannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:17 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Followup on sources
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think it's important to include your sources when you share
> > information
> > > > with other genealogists (as a profession or hobby). After all,
> could you
> > > get
> > > > away with not providing sources on a college term paper? When
> someone
> > > > provides me with a report or GEDCOM, one of the first things I do
> is
> > look
> > > at
> > > > their sources. It gives me a feel of how they do their work and
> > sometimes
> > > > gives me clues or hints for my own research.
> > > >
> > > > If I remember right, the original question started with someone
> wanting
> > > > hints on how to merge the sources from another GEDCOM into his own
> > Legacy
> > > > data. I might be mistaken but I think that's how this thread
> started.
> > > When
> > > > I import a GEDCOM (rare, but I do once in a while), I make a copy
> of the
> > > > GEDCOM and strip out all the sources before importing it to my
> data
> > file.
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very important that you DO NOT cite someone else's
> sources.
> > > If
> > > > someone provides you with a genealogy report or GEDCOM, then that
> person
> > > is
> > > > your only source. Legacy has some nice merge features to cite all
> new
> > > > individuals in this manner. If someone should later ask how I
> came to a
> > > > particular conclusion or found an event in a person's life, I can
> cite
> > the
> > > > person I received the information and then provide them with
> contact
> > > > information. This way the researcher can make their own decision
> on the
> > > > validity (surety) of the data. I do still keep a copy of the
> > originator's
> > > > GEDCOM or report so I can refer back to it later when I get stuck
> or
> > > > confused on a particular fact.
> > > >
> > > > With the use of the Internet, I'm sure there will be more data
> sharing
> > in
> > > > the year's ahead. Now that I think about it, if I found a GEDCOM
> that
> > > only
> > > > cited "GEDCOM from.." or "Import from..." type sources I think I'd
> have
> > to
> > > > give that source a surety value of ZERO and then drag that file to
> the
> > > > Recycle Bin.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, that's my 2-cents.
> > > >
> > > > Rick Hannon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Lee
> > > > VanKammen
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 00:25
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Followup on sources
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > so so true! Individuals are apt to not be around even tomorrow
> little
> > > lone
> > > > years from now. The original source should always we cited!!!
> Thanks
> > for
> > > > your addition to my thoughts.
> > > > Lee
> > > >
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