Evert,
I agree with you 100%.
Carol Wait

Evert van Dijken wrote:

There would be no problem at all if users have a choice to use the extra
field or not.
It would be great to have this field for Dutch users though. I think it's no
problem to add this field to
either the first name or the lastname field in a Gedcom export or import so
that's no problem at all.
Why not give the users who need this field the extra name field? Others who
don't need this field
could just choose to not use this field or add the information in this field
to either the first name or the last name. During an import Legacy should
give the option to import this extra field to either the first name or the
last name or to the extra name field so that would be no problem either.
I would use this field to store my patronyms (last name before 1811 and due
to Napoleon a lot of Dutch people had to choose a family lastname so a lot
of people born before this date are know by two different last names, the
patronym and the surname they had to choose because of Napoleon). And I
understood that a lot of Scandinavian users would store their farmnames
(there are also farmnames in the Netherlands) in this field to be able to
search on these names.
Legacy is going international and it would be nice if there would be some
international features in Legacy and not only features for the American or
English speaking users.
We (Dutch, Scandinavian, Spanish, German and possibly some other
international users) didn't ask for more than one extra field and I think
it's not fair of some users to write about more than 10 name fields or just
one name field to store all the information in just because we were asking
for a practical solution to store a certain part of our family names in and
be able to search this extra field.
I'm using a Dutch genealogy program and this program has an option for
patronyms (this program adds this as the last part of the first name in a
gedcom export) and this program has never given any problems in a gedcom
export or import to or from other programs (except the "normal" problems).
It just adds the extra name field to another part of the name. The only
problem is that using this gedcom you won't be able to restore the patronym
in the patronymfield after an export to a gedcom. But that isn't necessary
because all programs have the option to export to different format's. Legacy
could export to the legacy format to keep the extra name field during
export. And other programs don't have this extra name field so you wouldn't
be able to import it anyway.
Evert


----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Weed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOM-Centric





John, As a "background lurker" I have been following
this discusion of the GEDcom and must completely agree
with you the the GEDcom is a necessary evil.
It is an accepted way for various programs to
communicate, abet not perfectly. If we add or
subtract from the "standard" GEDcom there will be
problems. And one thing this world does not need is
more problems. I do not see the necessity for a middle
name with the AKA, prefix and suffix, and the ability
to put more than one name on a line. To change Legacy
in that manner would not be wise.
Barb
--- "John R. Bayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Lee Irons wrote:



GEDCOMs are the genealogy software industry's


answer to software
developers


getting along with each other.

NOT!


And similar attacks on the GEDCOM standard.  I
wonder if Lee subsequently
read
Terry Foxcraft's posting where he/she wrote:



I'm importing some data from Generations into


Legacy (more on that later)


and I noticed a bug with importing sources from


Gedcom.

Does Legacy import Generations' or FTM's files
directly?  Not to my
knowlege.
Thus if someone wants to change from one Gen program
to another, they NEED
GEDCOM to get the data out of their old program into
their new, unless of
course
they want to retype all their information over again
into the new gen
program.

I use three different Gen programs, and use GEDCOM
to move data between
them.  I'm also the only one in my family using
Legacy.  The cousins and
brother-in-law
I share research with use FTM.  They don't want to
learn another gen
program.
I don't want to antagonize them by insisting on them
changing their gen
program,
or at least learning to use a new one.

I'm very much aware of GEDCOM's limitations.  I very
well know that it is
very
far from perfect.  But it IS usable and does provide
a workable means of
exchanging
large amounts of genealogy data quickly.  I've also
found that some
relatively
simple programming can often reduce the amount of
errors in a GEDCOM
"transmission" by a very great amount.

I am one (I believe the first one) who disagreed
with Kristian about the
desireability
of having a "Middle Name" field added to the current
name structure, partly
on the basis
of incompatibility with GEDCOM.  As Kristian has
written he had a rebuttal
about
using user defined tags.  My re-rebuttal was that it
is precisely at those
user defined
tags that the wheels begin to come off of the GEDCOM
data transfer
mechanism.

I believe Kristian and I have agreed to disagree at
this point.

The GEDCOM standard does have 8 pieces of what they
call the
"Personal_Name_Structure"  Legacy use 4 of the 6
items that are defined to
be
used for pieces of a name.  The other two parts of
the name structure are
the
source citation (which Legacy already uses) and a
Note sub-structure which
Legacy does not use.  None of the 6 items defined to
be part of the name
are "Middle" name.  However, there is a NICKNAME
field.  Now the
Nickname field could be used as a "Middle name" or
as a Farm name, besides
being used as a nickname.
Or the "Notes structure" could be implemented by
legacy and then that
Notes structure could be used for a variety of
things, including my
"unstructured name" and/or the
call-it-what-you-want-to name.

My view of the situation is that no matter how many
fields are in the name
structure, someone will want another.  So ideally
Legacy could implement
the Full name structure of the GEDCOM standard,
adding two more
pieces to the structure, and a Notes sub-structure
which would allow a
user to put practically anything into the Name
Structure.  The two more
pieces would cut down the number of users wanting to
add another piece,
while the notes sub-structure would allow folks to
do whatever they d--n
well pleased!


jr

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