Bert,

You're very fortunate that your data has not been affected.  Others
are not so lucky.  And most of them don't even know it yet, since it
is only a posting here from someone else that made me aware that data
problems existed.  Over a hundred individuals in my database had their
data corrupted, and I never would have known how it happened.

You say that "Im very pleased with the hidden hot spots", but would
you be any LESS pleased if they were VISIBLE rather than HIDDEN?
Nobody has argued that any functionality should be removed, only that
it be very clear just where on the screen such functionality exists.

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bert
van Kootwijk
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 14:06
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hidden "hot spots"


Im very pleased with the hidden hot spots. I use the spots before the
locations very often. After input of about 66000 people I never clicked
unwanted the Private button. (Yes I have checked it).
In my opinion you make problems where no problem exist.

Bert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Janetzko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Hidden "hot spots"


> Jon,
>
> I agree completely.  And don't forget that it is not merely the issue of
the
> humongous, but partially labeled, hot spots.  As others have noted, there
> are numerous instances of hot spots that are not indicated in any way on
the
> screen.  Some of these merely control navigation to different screen
views,
> but others actually UPDATE DATA even though there is NO label indicating
> that anywhere.
>
> A bunch of cool features in a program may be nice, but, to me, data
> integrity is the most important and non-negotiable thing.  I've spent
> countless time updating information on 7500 individuals, and I'm nowhere
> near done.  It is not possible for me to periodically revisit every
> individual and reverify every piece of data to make sure that an invisible
> hot spot has not altered anything without my knowledge.
>
> I will be following these issues very carefully in whatever release
> Millennia decides to address them.  If it is in Version 6, I will
definitely
> be trying the free version before buying.  I love Legacy, but if their
> response indicates that they value their right to quick-and-dirty code
over
> my right to data integrity, then I will definitely have to start looking
> elsewhere for dependability.  My data is far more valuable than any
program
> that it is used with, and I would certainly hope that they agree with
that.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:10
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hidden "hot spots"
>
>
> I understand the rationale of  "internationalizing" Legacy; the company
has
> to grow its customer base and is  wise to do so.  However, that effort has
> created an unintentional side  effect, namely, the invisible hot spots by
> which
> one can unknowingly change an  attribute.
>
> It is true that various Windows applications have labels as  part of the
hot
> spot.  However, I suspect those label hot spots tend to be  limited to the
> visible label field.  The problem Legacy now has is that  those label hot
> spots
> can be larger that the visible label.  It appears the  programmers have to
> decided to maximize the label hot spot, visible or not, to  accomodate how
> various
> languages spell  a word such as "private."   And, therein lies the
problem.
>
> I would suggest that if it is necessary to  have a standard field length
for
> a label that is larger that the visible,  character length of the label,
> then
> the label should not be a hot spot.   The label field and the check
> box/radio
> button should be separate fields with  only the latter a hot spot.
>
> Jon Raymond
> St. Paul Park,  MN
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~raymond
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