>>>>>> Steve wrote: John I would assert that you're more worried about perceived competition for your licenses >>>>>>
JTW says: If this were the case, we'd have taken in the ODbL, or we'd have written something like it. With CC's position in the licensing space it'd have been quickly adopted - people have been pressing me to get a database license out for five years. This would be so much easier than arguing for "no licenses" that I wish it were true. Gad, I'd love to have something to recommend rather than "give it all away and make it really free". >>>>>> Steve wrote: and that there are people out there who want to be able to keep attribution and share-alike. I appreciate that you're trying to stop people opening pandoras box and shoe horn the cornucopia of people who might want a database license in to the PDDL before they can figure out there are other options... but ultimately it's not going to work. Someone else, somewhere will try to do another ODbL even if you succeed stopping this one and ultimately people will use it. >>>>>> JTW says: This is deeply true and well taken. But as I've always tried to note, my job is to try and fight for the public domain in the sciences, and the existence of these licenses is a threat simply by the opening of the box (and Steve - thank you for this comment and appreciation. Seriously). Thus, I have to try to push the rock up the hill, however Sisyphean the task. Just because it's hard doesn't make it pointless. Unlike software, there is not a governing set of laws that require us to apply the ideas of property to create openness, and unlike software, the ideas of property may well hurt our task. Time will tell. I think OSM is a good community. I believe you've given me a good hearing, for which I thank you. And I accept that you've made the decision that you want SA. Based on a lengthy back and forth with Rufus and Jordan this morning, I'm going to take my high level issues with the license back to the okfn-list, and I'll keep lurking here but only to watch and answer questions. >>>>>> Steve wrote: The simplest use case I can think of are all the companies who have datasets that they're be happy with something like BY-SA but would never release anything under PDDL. It's not going to fly to just tell them all that they 'should' release things in to the public domain. >>>>>> This is true, and is fine for them. It just makes that data significantly less interoperable. I believe that many communities will come along and re-open that Pandora's Box, encode their own versions of share-alike, and we won't be able to put the data together. I hope I'm wrong, and the nice thing is that we'll have data in a few years to tell us the outcome. jtw _______________________________________________ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk