On 12 May 2009, at 12:02, Martijn van Exel wrote: > My thoughts: > I think a debate of some kind will be preferable over a one-sided > presentation of the state of affairs or even the process.
it's not an either-or, we can do both :-) > This has > been a hotly debated topic over the last period, I believe some format > involving the audience is therefore called for. > > If we're going to involve Rufus and Jordan, 1hr might not even be > enough time. It is complicated business we're dealing with and most in > the audience will need some introduction (say 20 or even 30mins). > Someone in the legal WG explaining: > * Key differences between current and envisaged license. > * Key arguments for changing over > * Timeline: where are we, where will we be 3m, 6m, 1y from now > * What can you do? What is expected of you? > I know most of these topics have been dealt with extensively on the > lists and on the wiki, but if we want a lively debate involving the > audience, we will require this refresher course. > That would leave about 30-40mins for a debate. That can only work if > we have good moderation around a couple of well chosen topic, I think > no more than three, allowing 10-15 mins per topic. > If we plan this before lunch or at the end of the day (I'd prefer the > former, a heavyweight topic at the end of the day will not go down > well) we can have informal discussion afterwards. > > Take care, > > martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 01:24, SteveC <st...@asklater.com> wrote: >> Hi >> >> We, the legal working group have been asked as a result of a chat in >> the SOTM working group call (which mike and I were also on) to >> propose >> talk(s) about the license at SOTM. >> >> Today in our call we brainstormed a little around a few ideas and we >> thought it would be good to flesh them out here and see what you guys >> think might work, or not. So here are some ideas to think around, or >> if you have your own please chime in. We can do these, some >> combination, all of them, or whatever. We'd like your help in >> thinking >> what the best things to do are >> >> 1) A high level, simple, talk for the business day on rough use cases >> on the data and best practise. Something like "you can use OSM data >> but make sure you don't mix it with proprietary data, make sure you >> attribute OSM". This wouldn't be a perfect talk, but would give >> businesses and people looking to get involved with OSM a high level >> introduction without getting too scary >> >> 2) A talk at the main OSM conf days about the PROCESS of the legal >> working group. How often we meet, who we are, how a meeting goes, >> what >> we discuss, who we talk to, what the minutes look like, how to get >> involved... This is just about how we work, not the subject matter to >> give people a better insight in to what goes on. >> >> 3) A debate at the main OSM conf. A panel of key members of the >> license working group plus jordan and rufus. It lasts an hour. 15 >> minutes are brief introductions and points of view from the panel >> members and then 45 minutes of open debate on any license issue >> with a >> moderator. This might be before lunch or a break so people can >> continue discussing afterward. >> >> 4) The same as (3) but with a _structured_ debate. Say 4 main topics >> and 10 minutes debate on each, or 3 topics of 15 minutes each. >> Something like that so that rather than debate about anything we >> debate some key issues to make sure they are covered. >> >> Remember these are only ideas to be discussed here, not our solid >> plans. Thoughts? >> >> Best >> >> Steve >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> legal-talk mailing list >> legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk >> > > _______________________________________________ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > Best Steve _______________________________________________ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
