Thank you, Simon. You are correct, the LABGEO cartographers I have talked to don't seem to have access to any formal statement (contracts, laws, etc.) that ensures the data is truly "public domain" as they say. It is also possible that existing written statements would not clearly answer essential questions concerning ODbL compatibility. Considering some other problems (such as uninformed and uninterested Brazilian authorities, and lack of court decisions that would help us interpret the law), I believe that getting them to write down exactly what we need them to agree with would be safer for us and also more productive for us and for them.
Since these authorities often erroneously equate "public domain" with "free" or "open" (not even knowing the differences between the two), I believe the questions for them should be: - how they expect their attribution to be visible to end users through OSM; and - whether the data can be used for commercial purposes. I don't know if these questions are enough, so I would like to hear your opinions and suggestions. Finally, we have already studied the data and found the conversion rather easy to do. Importing would probably require some coordinated effort, but for now it is the legal aspect that completely prevents us from beginning. Also, I think it would be fairer if the copyright page included a linked to the wiki page you mentioned, so that all contributors enjoy some similar level of visibility. Regards, Fernando On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote: > > Hi Fernando > > I gather from your questions that they are currently not distributing the > data under a (well-)known licence or on any other documented terms? > > In any case before spending to much effort on trying to nail down the > legal side, you really need to clarify if this is suitable data for OSM and > if yes, if there is a process that will result in something that is > digestible by the Brazilian community. So I would strongly suggest at least > starting with the steps outlined in > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines > > As to being mentioned on http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright , there > is no written in stone policy who gets on that page, in the past it seems > to have been used as an extra bargaining chip in negotiation. Being listed > there does not in any way indicate that the contributions are or were more > important than contributions from the individuals and organisations listed > here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors . Clearly there is a > practical desire to keep the list on the copyright page as short as > possible. Down the road we may have better mechanisms to build the > attribution pages and then that may change. So for now it would depend on > the outcome of any necessary negotiations. > > Simon > > > > > Am 14.11.2013 18:58, schrieb Fernando Trebien: > > Hello everyone, > > I've recently contacted an institute (LABGEO) within a public university > here in Brazil (UFRGS) and they've shown interest in contributing to OSM > their data, which includes roads, land contours, vegetation data, maybe > even geological data (it is a pretty extensive database). They would also > like to be listed as a contributor here in this page: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright > > Though there may be a few details left to check yet, they've stated so > far that the dada is already regularly used for commercial purposes by many > Brazilian companies at zero cost. So here's my question: what kind of > statement do they have to provide so that they get listed in that page? > What questions does the statement need to answer? > > -- > Fernando Trebien > +55 (51) 9962-5409 > > "The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months." (Moore's law) > "The speed of software halves every 18 months." (Gates' law) > > > _______________________________________________ > legal-talk mailing > listlegal-talk@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > -- Fernando Trebien +55 (51) 9962-5409 "The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months." (Moore's law) "The speed of software halves every 18 months." (Gates' law)
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