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> Sorry, but I can't simply sit aside any longer and listen to this trot nonsense.
>Disembodied theorizing and intellectualization. For all the probelms in the SU,
>during and after Stalin, the collapse of the SU had very real causes that were
>PRIMARILY external. There was a seventy year war waged against the SU, and the coup
>de gras was the combined economic tactic of flooding the world market with cheap oil
>in a deal brokered by the Reagan Administration with the Saudis, thereby cutting the
>principle source of external development capital, provocations designed to ratchet up
>SU military spending, and the destabilization of Afghanistan. I am constantly amazed
>that these factors are not mentioned when we seek incessantly, it seems, after some
>more abstract account of the collapse of the Eastern Bloc to support our pet dogmas.
>Like it or not (this is what I have to constantly explain to my children and my trot
>friends--reality doesn't conform to your desires), in the current!
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> onditions, the nation-state, bourgeois as it is, is the only vehicle to resist
>imperialism in many cases, and strengthening its sovereignty is a revolutionary task.
> And the mention of Lenin and Trotsky in the same breath implying some parity of
>stature in the revolutionary movement is laughable. That said, the issue today is
>nationalism. Lukashenko is currently resisting the New World Order, and the issue is
>sovereignty. That makes him an ally. Sidestepping this is a total cop-out.
>Revolution is not a morality play, and politics is an instrumental, not an
>expressive, activity.
My reply,
Good post, Sherry. We are in agreement on virtually every point and
they need to be repeated. However, I do have one disagreement. I see
the primary problem as being internal, not external, and caused by
leaders assuming control who were not bona fide Marxists but
revisionists in the rightist Bukharin tradition. Nikita, and especially
Gorby and their agents, instituted a program that was essentially a
rejuvenated NEP with no cessation, culminating in an overthrow. Cuba
has had far less to work with and far greater obstacles to overcome, but
under the excellent leadership of Fidel it has endured as a socialist
state for over 40 years. The lesson is that if you have the right
people leading you can weather just about any storm.
For the cause,
Klo
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Our support should be given to the people or the toiling classes to be more
> concrete. The question is:do the policies of the Lukashenko government
> strengthen the case of the exploited classes in Belarus against imperialist
> interference and domination? It seems to me that this is not the case, but that
> his opposition to imperialism is necessarily weaked by the way he rules his own
> people. Let me make historical reminder: To me it was the ideological
> destruction of the once revolutionary mind of the Russian working class brought
> about by about 60 years of dictatorship by the Stalinist bureaucracy which
> disarmed that class when the majority of that bureaucracy finally chose to
> turnmback to ordinary capitalism. The imperialists had theur hands in it of
> course,but it was the Stalinist themselves who recked the legacy of the october
> revolution. Therefore no political support can be given to them. A.Holberg]
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