On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com>wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 07:17:09 -0700 (PDT) > "Edward K. Ream" <edream...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Not sure why you said "you can specify a computer program as an > > outline like thing in an outliner like setting." Why not just say, > > "write a computer program in an outline?" Is there some nuance I am > > missing? > > There are probably a million reasons I said it like that, but I think > the main one is my everpresent, brightly burning belief that a program > > should be designed before its coded. > [big snip] > > > So it seems to me that I *design* the program on Leo, and then, when > > the time comes, I flip a switch and Leo *writes* the program for me. > > As soon as I have free time, I'm going to do the Leo Hello World > program that Gatesphere recommended, and then I'll be able to express > > myself better. > Excellent. > > The first words of the announcement *must* list Leo's key > benefits, and perhaps even say why Leo trumps Emacs org mode and > > vimoutline mode. This is a major opportunity missed. I'll correct > it for the b1 announcement. > > I'd be careful about making such assertions. Thanks for the warning. I was thinking about you comment about Leo having an image problem: QQQ But first, I think Leo has an image problem. Mention Leo, and most people say "it's an outliner." If that's all Leo was, VimOutliner would have eaten Leo's lunch years ago --- VimOutliner's faster and has the 90% of outlining features that people use 90% of the time. Not only that, face the facts, 95% of the population will never believe they need an outliner or that an outliner would do them any good, or that outlining is a skill they need to bother to acquire. QQQ To repeat, I have been thinking about this ever since I read it. Somehow, we must combat the perception that Emacs and Vim outline modes do it all. I'd view Leo's niche as designing > > programs, and then flipping a switch and having Leo write them. That's > > *huge*, and is only peripherally related to the fact that Leo can > > function as an outliner. > Hmm. Certainly, Leo's outlining features are *features*, not benefits. There are several real benefits lurking in this discussion. When I finish emails I'll attempt to make a fairly short lists of those benefits, and why Emacs and vim do not provide the same benefits. It might be dangerous, but I think it has to be done. Otherwise, why would we be using Leo, and why would anyone else want to use Leo? Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
