Hi Chris,

This is exactly how I interpreted the idea from 'tfer'. - Don't add more &
more to Leo. - Try to distill the 'essence' of Leo and make this available
in Atom or Visual Studio Code (VSC).

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Chris George <technat...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Viktor,
>
> Sorry, I was unfamiliar with code.
>
> Both it and atom are editors. Leo is an editor and then some.
>
> It would be interesting to write a "code" Leo or a "atom" Leo, somewhat
> like Edward wrote a "vim" Leo. Make it keystroke and gui identical (Leo
> encompasses all of the functions of either/or) and then enjoy the added
> features of Leo with the exact same functionality of both.
>
> I see Leo as far more than an editor and have stuck with it for so long as
> the small subset of features I need is constantly expanding. That said,
> both atom and code also far surpass what I need in an editor.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 10:07:29 AM UTC-7, Chris George wrote:
>>
>> Hi Viktor,
>>
>> A great simplification of Leo would still leave it feature rich for a
>> writer. I have often wondered if that would crack that market for Leo.
>>
>> As Twain said though, I wrote a long letter as I didn't have time to
>> write a short one.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Viktor Ransmayr <
>> viktor.ransm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Chris,
>>>
>>> I think the proposal made can fully support your criterias, which I
>>> fully support.
>>>
>>> Both Visual Studio Code & Atom are available on Linux & do not require
>>> Internet Access. - So far they only miss Outlines with clones - but - they
>>> offer a lot of 'infrastructure', which Leo as an environment will (most
>>> likely) never get ...
>>>
>>> I think it is interesting to discuss what would be needed to create a
>>> "Leo experience" in another environment.
>>>
>>> With kind regards,
>>>
>>> Viktor
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Chris George <technat...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had three criteria drive me to Leo, and nothing has changed in half a
>>>> decade or more.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Linux support and not as an afterthought.
>>>> 2. Offline support, simply because the requirement of the Internet is a
>>>> brittle requirement that relies on a lot of things going right for a lot of
>>>> people every day.
>>>> 3. Outliner with clones. I can find 5 or 6 that have this that are
>>>> online. But Leo is the only one that doesn't require being online.
>>>>
>>>> Given that I haven't run a Microsoft operating system since 2001 on my
>>>> personal computer, step one, which is to chain Leo to a single OS/App
>>>> pairing, I have no interest. But then IANAP, I am a writer and that is what
>>>> I use Leo for.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 6:35 AM, Viktor Ransmayr <
>>>> viktor.ransm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello community,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be very interested in such an experiment & would provide personal
>>>>> input & support.
>>>>>
>>>>> With kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Viktor Ransmayr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:18 AM, 'tfer' via leo-editor <
>>>>> leo-editor@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There have been some discussions in the past on what we might do to
>>>>>> make Leo more popular.  I've recently had some time out in the woods and
>>>>>> was hit with a tack that just might do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you do anything in the world of JavaScript you're aware of ability
>>>>>> to use it and nodejs frameworks to build standalone apps.  In fact, there
>>>>>> are two popular editors that use that technology, there is Github's Atom,
>>>>>> and Microsoft's Visual Code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So here is what I'm proposing, make Leo into a plug-in for Visual
>>>>>> Code.  We'd need to pare down Leo, dropping the Qt code and using html 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> JavaScript to build a Outline pane (Note that the file browser pane works
>>>>>> as a tree view of directories so we can steal some code from there).  
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> is already support for a log, (shell).  The editor pane would just have 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be hooked up to the Outline pane and set to the relevant language.  It's
>>>>>> perfectly possible to use both JavaScript and Python in such an app.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would have the advantage and visibility of latching on to a
>>>>>> popular and growing editor, get features for free that would likely never
>>>>>> get into Leo and move over to what is becoming the most popular visual
>>>>>> toolkit for interface design, one based on Html, CSS, and JavaScript.
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