Rick, I agree with you. These multiple licenses are hindering us. Andrew, has there been any progress on the license front for OM? Any chance of something happening in 2003?
Danny's comments about xft are exciting. It would be nice to get anti-aliased fonts. BTW: We could also use some help in finishing 2.2.3. We're seeing binary incompatibilities in the current build. And given that OM 2.2.2 is now the Open Motif distribution in RH, Mandrake and United Linux, binary compatibility is an absolute requirement. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick > Scott > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:24 PM > To: Danny Backx > Cc: Andrew Josey; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LessTif Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Openmotif-devel] Re: XmFONT_IS_XFT ? > > > Good coverage Danny, I got three copies of this. Although I think > I should have > gotten four :) I'm as tainted as they come, and I haven't been sued yet. I > think a good first step would be to have a good test that can be > included in > both trees. test4 doesn't seem to include a copyright, therefore > by default > would be LGPL, I guess, and not compatible with OM, still > guessing. Something > that is clearly "okay" in both trees would be good. Of course > this would take > some work on my part. I haven't built LessTif in a long time, and > the last time > I tried to build OM it failed, so I'm not sure where I stand with > respect to > either at the present time :( What I do know for sure, is that I'm getting > really tired of this license issue. If I wasn't so involved in > both, I'd chuck > the whole damn issue and move to something with less hassles. The > problem I > have is that I think that both beat the crap out of anything else > available. > But unless we can get together we are going to loose out, much > the same as Beta > lost to VHS, despite Beta being superior. I must add that I still haven't > bought a VHS system, despite the fact that you can't rent a BETA > tape anywhere > these days. So I do have patience, but not as much as I once did > .... And after > this rant, I have better things to do, so neither will benefit > from my time > tonight ..... Good night .... > > > On 1-Oct-02 at 18:18, Danny Backx ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I've been quiet for a while, that's because I needed to add > > a string to rendertable converter to LessTif before I could work > > on the Xft stuff. > > > > I'll describe my current ideas below, the idea is to collect > > feedback so feel free to "shoot". > > > > 1. Inspired by the IBM bidi implementation, I've added XmFONT_IS_XFT. > > > > 2. My idea is to allow you to specify some attributes through > > render tables. Doing so would trigger the font type to be > > XmFONT_IS_XFT which in turn triggers use of Xft. > > > > 3. Keith (Packard) told me that a problem I'd face is that Xft > > requires both the pixel value and the RGB value : > > > > Keith Packard wrote: > > > > I am also a bit puzzled about what to do with the color > > > > argument to the XftDrawString8 function. Is this an area > > > > that's incomplete in Xft ? > > > > > > No, but it will be a pain for LessTif -- Xft requires both > the RGB and > > > pixel values for each color. If you look at what xterm > does, you'll > > > see it actually requests the RGB values from the X server as the > > > application hasn't bothered to keep them. An alternative is what > > > xclock does; that application creates a new string to > XftColor resource > > > converter which saves both the pixel and RGB values. > > > > I have yet to start investigating this. > > > > 4. Making LessTif draw stuff using Xft seems to be a matter of > > finding all the places where the code currently checks for values > > like XmFONT_IS_FONTSET and adding a case for Xft. > > > > I imagine that this would be similar for Motif. > > > > 5. I've browsed the IBM bidi file for about 5 minutes; this gave me > > the ideas for the above. I'm not touching the OpenMotif source > > files myself, the only tool on my system that touches these > > is the compiler. > > > > I can design/implement Xft stuff in LessTif as a proof of concept, > > I'll need someone else to make similar patches for OpenMotif. > > > > I trust that that someone is free to read the LessTif sources > > and the work that I did for adapting it to Xft. If there would > > be a problem with that, I'm willing to create a Xft patch > > (to LessTif) that has more liberal license than the LGPL. > > > > Unless someone comes up with some kind of magic, I don't see > > what else I can do for OpenMotif without tainting myself. > > > > 6. I currently have a couple of quick hacks in the LessTif code > > that allow me to specify a Xft based font, and draw it in > > limited cases. For those who want to have a look (trust me, > > it's not yet worth it), it's test/Xm-2.0/rendition/test4.c > > in combination with changes to lib/Xm/XmString.c and > > lib/Xm/ResConvert.c . > > > > 7. I'll need to think about which resources to use to specify > > Xft fonts, and how to convert them. > > The Xft-capable xterm has > > option resource > > [-fa pattern] faceName > > [-fs size] faceSize > > > > Are these the only two to worry about ? > > > > Combining some of the above, setting a resource like > > *faceName: Verdana > > *faceSize: 14 > > would get many applications to start using Xft fonts. > > > > By the way, use of Xft would give us anti-aliased font support. > > Patches for Qt, Gtk+, Mozilla, Wine, OpenOffice and others exist > > to get them to use Xft. > > > > We want this for LessTif and OpenMotif too, don't we ? > > > > As I said above, feedback welcomed. > > > > Danny > > > > Andrew Josey wrote: > > > On Sep 7, 7:33am in "Re: XmFONT_IS_XFT ?", Rick Scott wrote: > > > > Danny, I added a extra list to the Cc:. That's the one where most of > > > > the action seems to be, I'm not sure how many people are actually on > > > > the opengroup.org list. I know it seems confusing, but the whole > > > > situation is confusing, why should the mailing lists be any > different :) > > > > > > Agreed, It would be good to get them to feed into each other and vice > > > versa... Open to suggestions on how to make that happen.. > > > regards > > > Andrew > > > > -- > > Danny Backx ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > Home page : http://users.skynet.be/danny.backx > > Projects: LessTif (http://lesstif.sourceforge.net) > > Xbae (http://xbae.sourceforge.net) > > > _______________________________________________ Lesstif mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://terror.hungry.com/mailman/listinfo/lesstif
