TheOldFellow([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:32:14PM +0100:
> Ag Hatzimanikas wrote:
> 
> >Yes works great here.By the way is a very good source to hear proper 
> >english. :)
> 
>and I'm looking for help with my Ancient Greek too.
> 
> My textbook says  that it's pronounced like English.  
> The textbook was, however, written  in the 1930's by an Englishman,
> so I don't believe it one Iota :-)
> 
Holly ... that is really a debatable issue,with no clear answer I am afraid.

What we know for sure is the time that we lost the traces,because we lost 
them,that is 
a fact.What we can do only are hypotheses/speculations.

It was the time that the Great (dwarf) Alexander the conqueror,decided that his 
tribe 
was uber alles (abobe everything else) and tried to spread his significance 
using 
violence/force to the common known world.
Then the pronunciation was bastardized in one night.

Not that I care much.
I am afraid I lost any interesting I had for study the ancient writings in my 
seventeen 
(that is a little more than twenty years).

Ironically my first name is an ancient greek [
Oh that is another issue,and so it deserves a small parenthesis.
Actually greek is an inaccurate term.The roots of the word holds back in the 
Turkish
period,and came from a Turkish word that means slave.
sed -e 's/Greece/Hella(s)da/' -e 's/Greek/Hellin(as)iko/'
]
synthetic name,so I will use it as an example.

Agatho(s) + (eu)klees. = Άγαθοκλής/Agathoklis.
  |              |                |
good          glorious     unknown-bastard

Now,if you want to pronounce the second letter (g) with the modern 
pronunciation you have 
to use it like hmm... (Y)ear.
In the ancient pronunciation  however the (g) is almost sounds like the English 
g in (go) [1] 
... so Richard You have to trust your fellow countryman/compatriot. :)

>
>and I'm looking for help with my Ancient Greek too.
>

I am not surprised.I don't know anyone who doesn't.Especially the modern 
greeks. :)
It's all greek to us. :)

Oh well,despite my previous statement (that I have no interesting for study) I 
am 
always exciting to philosophize (you can say that is is our favorite sport 
here,a 
very chip and easy sport too) :).

But whatever I do/did I am always return back to the Diogenes the cynic [2].
And for the heroic souls that reached so far in the bottom of this email, here 
is my 
offer,a favorite (famous and the only one I know :)) story of him.

When the King Philippos ( Alexander's father) reached in Athens as a winner,he 
went 
to meet him (Diogenes) in his pithos (tub) where he used to live.

"I can do anything for you" he said (Philippos),standing just in front of his 
tub.
"Just ask me something,anything you like and I will do it at once"

It was a sunny lazy day and the Diogenes without second thought he said (or at 
least 
what they told us that he said).

"Please get out of the sun"

1. http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~ancgreek/pronunchtml/gammaU.html
2. http://www.iep.utm.edu/d/diogsino.htm
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