Great posts by Jake and Danny.  Jake wrote:

> I think it is more than one thing - so in some cases, it is a matter of simply
> ignoring the facts; try talking to people about NSA Warrantless wiretaping 
> program and
> the data (which by the way, I'm confident has been used in the WikiLeaks
> investigation) produced by it of US citizens on US soil. Eyes will glaze over 
> and
> people will simply refuse to discuss it. Quite depressing. In some cases, I 
> agree that
> even if we know that is/has/will/etc happen - some people don't really 
> understand the
> magnitude of the surveillance state.

For anyone interested and with an extra almost three hours to kill, there was a
significant court hearing on Friday in Jewel v. NSA.  It was video'd under an 
experimental
pilot program, the video is at
http://www.uscourts.gov/Multimedia/Cameras/NorthernDistrictofCalifornia.aspx?video_uuid=tg
d2h877&categoryId=48197%20

Sadly, a proprietary format that won't play well with Linux.

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Culver City, CA 90230-4969
310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax)
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