Or, potentially, university libraries could shift from buying subscriptions to paying for their university faculty's publication fees. If the ultimate product is an open access publication, then the issue isn't paying for access, but rather paying to produce the public good.

- Rob Gehl

On 04/08/2013 11:42 AM, michael gurstein wrote:
Publishing may be dirt cheap but any systematic/formal e.g. academic
publishing isn't free... So the problem is that while there is a necessary
and valuable shift from commercial publishing (and outrageous profiteering)
to open access online publishing there really aren't any good business
models yet to cover the (much less but not totally trivial) costs of the new
forms of academic publishing.

If for whatever reason (and there are lots including the issues pointed to
here) one doesn't want to go to a pay for play model that leaves
advertising(???) or donations (???) or...

M

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[mailto:liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Richard
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Subject: Re: [liberationtech] For everyone and their grad students: Fake,
pay-to-publish journals & conferences

It's not curious. It is accurate. As the funding model moved from
subscribers paying for access to authors paying for publication, the
financial incentives changed as well. The loosening of standards is an
obvious consequence of this decision.

The question of how best to publish quality academic information is
non-trivial. Like the question of where to get quality current affairs
information. It will take a while for things to adjust to the ability of the
Internet to make publishing dirt-cheap.



On 04/08/2013 12:19 PM, James Losey wrote:
I think it's curious how this article frames the journals as "open
access" rather than a more appropriate "pay to play"

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Yosem Companys <compa...@stanford.edu
<mailto:compa...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

     From: Nathaniel Poor <natp...@gmail.com
<mailto:natp...@gmail.com>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/for-scientists-an-exploding-w
orld-of-pseudo-academia.html

     "The scientists who were recruited to appear at a conference called
     Entomology-2013 thought they had been selected to make a presentation
     to the leading professional association of scientists who study
     insects. But they found out the hard way that they were wrong...."

     This has been a problem for a while, but now it's big enough to be a
     newspaper story.

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     Nathaniel Poor, Ph.D.
     http://natpoor.blogspot.com/
     https://sites.google.com/site/natpoor/
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